JARROLD Johannah (Jonna)

[cando]

Sandra I have just realised that Halston, Suffolk is in the same area that I have researched my OH's ancestors so will have look at my resources.

Sandra I am puzzled by your statement  that Richard kidnapped his own child.   Do you mean Richard returned to England and took his son with him.  Were Richard and Johannah separated or divorced?

Cando

[cando]

I see they were married in 1843.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Holy Trinity, Islington
19 Jun 1843
STONE Richard, 23 years Bachelor, Tallow ?handler.  Buckinham Street, Strand.  Father Richard Stone, Tallow ?handler.
GARROLD Johannah  24 years  Spinster  ?Foster Place   Father William Garrold, Farmer

Richard signed the register but Johannah signed with a cross.


Is them on the 1851 census -  Ref  HO 107/154  ?

Living at Beauchamp Street, St Andrew Holborn
STONE Richard  Married  Head 31 years  Clerk out of work  born Middlesex, Westminster
STONE Johannah  Married Wife  31 years   b. Suffolk, Halston
STONE William  Son  7 years  b. Surrey Lambeth
STONE Alice  Dau  5 years  b. Surrey, Lambeth
STONE Henry  Son  2 years b. Surrey, Lambeth
STONE Alfred Son  3 mos  b. Middlesex, Finsbury

Gosh I am not having a good day....the ship FALMOUTH PACKET or just FALMOUTH is not listed on either the Unassisted or Assisted indexes arriving in Victoria.  Perhaps Richard arrived in another state.  I can't see Johannah and children arriving as Unassisted Immigrants in Victoria from 1854 to 1855.  Sandra do you know where they landed in Aus?

Cando

[Valda]

Hi

Two of the children's baptisms

8th April 1844 St John the Evangelist Lambeth Surrey born 19th March 1843
William Richard Stone parents  Richard and Johnannah, Gibson Street, father's occupation oilman

10th April 1851 St Andrew Holborn Middlesex born 6th January
Alfred Kelly Stone parents Richard and Johanna, Beauchamp Street, father's occupation merchant's clerk


The marriage appears as Jarrold but since Johnannah signed with a cross that would be the clerk's interpretation of how to spell the surname from how it was pronounced presumably with a Suffolk accent. Richard's occupation was tallow chandler.

On the 1851 census there are Jarrolds born Harleston Suffolk but not Garrolds

1851 census HO107 1794 folio 481
Great Finborough Suffolk
William Jarrold 57 Head Married Gamekeeper Onehouse Suffolk
Mary Jarrold 68 Wife Married Harleston Suffolk
Elijah Jarrold 15 Son Shelland Suffolk

HO107 1794 folio ?
Church Lane Stowmarket Suffolk
Joseph Jarrold 30 Head Married Bricklayer's labourer Harlston Suffolk
Charlotte Jarrold 28 Wife Married Buxlayer? Suffolk
William Jarrold 6 Son Onehouse Suffolk
Robert Jarrold 5 Son Finborough Suffolk
Mary Ann Jarrold 2 Daughter Stowmarket Suffolk

1841 census HO107 1035/4 folio 6
Park Great Finborough Suffolk
William Jarrall 45 Gamekeeper
Mary Jarrall 46
Joseph Jarrall 18 Ag lab
Job Jarrall 12
Mary Anne Jarrall 9
Elijah Jarrall 6
all born Suffolk


Regards

Valda

[LoganH]

Jonna STONE link

Victorian BDM.
Birth -Jane Leisk STONE ,father (blank), mother Jonna STONE, place INKE (Possibly Inkerman,(just north of Dunolly)in 1863 (BDM reg no.7611)

Logan

[Valda]

Hi

1841 census HO107 739/6 folio 13
Buckingham Street St Martin in the Fields Westminster Middlesex
Richard Stone 55 Tallow Chandler not born Middlesex
Elizabeth Stone 40 not born Middlesex
Richard Stone 20
Edward Stone 15 not norn Middlesex
plus 1 female servant
Adult ages, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census

1851 census HO107 1481 folio 270
27/28 Buckingham Street St Martin in the Fields
Richard Stone 69 Head Married Tallow Chandler Herefordshire
Elizabeth Stone 59 Wife Married Buckinghamshire
Mary Ann Stone 31 Daughter St Martin in the Fields
Elizabeth Stone 15 Daughter St Martin in the Fields
plus 2 servants

RICHARD STONE
Christening:  26 MAR 1820   Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London
Father:  RICHARD STONE  
Mother:  HANNAH
28 Buckingham Street
Father's occupation Tallow Chandler

siblings all the children of Richard and Hannah, all baptised St Martin in the Fields

THOMAS STONE - 13 DEC 1818
WILLIAM STONE - 23 SEP 1821
MARY ANN STONE - 18 MAY 1823
HENRY STONE - 17 APR 1825  
HANNAH STONE -  05 NOV 1826
ELIZABETH STONE -  25 MAY 1828

plus half sibling

ELIZABETH STONE
Christening:  03 JAN 1836   Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London
Father:  RICHARD STONE  
Mother:  ELIZABETH  


Regards

Valda

[LoganH]

Alfred Stone, poor lad.

The Argus Friday 1st May 1868 page 5.
A very shocking accident, which resulted in the instantaneous death of a lad named Alfred Stone, occurred at the plant of the Sir William Don Company, Ballarat on Wednesday morning. Stone, who was about seventeen years of age, was employed at the buddles, of which there are two, and it appears that having to oil the pinion and crown wheels, he passed over from one buddle to the other without going down one ladder and up another, as was usually done. He placed one foot on the crown-wheel, and not stepping off it quickly enough, the pinion-wheel caught him, and he was whirled round. A man working in the buddle-house heard deceased cry out once, and on seeing his position threw the machinery out of gear. The lifeless body then fell into the buddle, and it was found that the deceased had been almost cut completely through the middle.

A 'buddle' is a machine used to wash crushed ore.

Logan.

[Miss Pookie]

Sorry Cando,
I thought you meant that my Alfred was born 1868, then i realised that was the date of his accident. I would say you are spot on with that !! You found him !!

As for the Johannah GARROLD that you found - that makes perfect sense from what family have told me. Apparently we originate from the 'Fitzgerald' clan of Northern Ireland and there were a few variations through the years of the surname, some of them being Garrold, Gerald, Jarrel, Jarrol, Jarrald and Jarrold. Oh my....sooooo confusing. It wouldn't be so bad if they changed their name and then stuck to that but then they would change it again and again. Jonna was even worse for also changing her first name over and over. I've found her under Joanna, Johanna, Johannah, Hannah and Jonna and now you may have found her under Joan ? ooooohhhh weeee...no wonder i'm going crackers !!

As for the kidnapping of Henry, I have a handwritten letter from my nan's cousin, Jack Manning (dec) which states that his mum, (Jonna's grandaughter) hated Richard and she remembers her mum (Emily Alice) sneering and calling Richard "His Nibs" and never refered to him by name. The story is that he kidanpped Henry and fled back to England but i don't know when. Jonna apparently called the police and there was a report made but they said they couldn't do anything.

I don't know if Jonna and Richard seperated or divorced, maybe that might explain why she signed her maiden name on Emily Alice's marriage certificate. But, Emily and Henry Manning marrried in 1863 and Richard signed the cert. so it must have been after that, that he fled with Henry.

The same letter i have from Jack is where is say's about "Falmouth Packet" (1853) and Jonna and the children  "Thorswaldon"(1854). I have no idea at what port or state they arrived at in Australia. But as you, i haven't been able to find any info on those ships.

Sandra 

 

[cando]

Sandra perhaps a re-read of the excellent information posted by Valda and Logan

Sandra it would appear that the marriage of Emily was in 1862 not 1863.

STONE Emily Alice
MANNING Henry Richard
1862  Reg#1848

and the we have the birth of a Jane STONE in 1863 as posted by Logan.

Victorian BDM.
Birth -Jane Leisk STONE ,father (blank), mother Jonna STONE, place INKE (Possibly Inkerman,(just north of Dunolly)in 1863 (BDM reg no.7611)

I wonder if Richard was still in Victoria at the time of this birth.  Johannah's illiteracy may be the reason for the variations in the spelling of her surname and probably her given name.  Valda and I have both mentioned that Johannah signed with her mark - a X on her marriage certificate/registration.  You have mentioned she signed her name on Emily's marriage certificate.  Would you have another look at the certificate and check it doesn't have an X near the name.  Is her name in the same handwriting as the rest of the certificate.

I will post any information after my phone call on Monday.

Cheers
Cando

[Miss Pookie]

Hi Valda.

Thanks for that info. I only had Richard's fathers name not his mother and i had no idea if he had siblings but it looks like you found it !! And....a half sibling !!! Sordid stuff !!     Fantastic !!

As for the 'oilman' occupation for Richard, that made me giggle. Family has told me that his family was quite 'well to do' but Richard was a 'waster' but pretended to be upper crust and often told fibs about what his profession was. 'Oilman' is a new one i can add to his list !!!  

Cheers
Sandra