JARROLD Johannah (Jonna)

[Miss Pookie]

Jonna (Johannah) Jarrold is my great great great grandmother, born in Suffolk ?? 1819. She married Richard Stone in Islington 1843. They had 5 children ; William, Emily Alice, Alfred, Harry (Henry), and Charlotte. Richard went by "Falmouth Packet" to Australia in 1853 and Jonna followed with children (unassisted) in 1854. Apparently Richard and Jonna owned a Hotel in Ballarat or Bendigo, Victoria but i can't find anything on that, although they must have gotten a Publicans Licence ?? Richard kidnapped one of the boys, Harry ? and supposedly fled back to England with him. Jonna made a report to the local Police, but i also can't find anything on that either. I know Jonna died in Victoria , Australia and i can't find a death certificate anywhere !!! I was told she lived to a ripe old age ?? I have been told she is buried in Inglewood cemetery next to Charlotte, but again....can't find anything on that. The cemetery cant seem to help me either, despite my pleadings !!lol . If anyone can help me or guide me in the right direction i would be sincerely grateful.

[celia]

I know Jonna died in Victoria , Australia and i can't find a death certificate anywhere !!! I was told she lived to a ripe old age ?? I have been told she is buried in Inglewood cemetery next to Charlotte, but again....can't find anything on that

If you know the year of death,maybe someone on the Australia board can help with the above,just a thought

Celia

[Miss Pookie]

Thanks Celia.
Unfortunately i don't know when she died. She was born in 1819 and i'm told by family she lived into her 90's, so i'm figuring somwhere in the 1900's . I will follow that through though. Do i just go to the Victorian cemetery board or something else?
Thanks again.
Sandra.

[cando]

Hi Miss Pookie,

Celia asked me to have a look at your request.

The Cemetery Trust can only give you details from their Burial register which is mandatory for all cemeteries in Victoria [and elsewhere] to maintain.

A quick search of the Victorian bdm's - I cannot see a death for a Johanna/Jonna STONE in Victoria to 1913.

You can search yourself - free to search but pay to view page/record.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

Many Aussie chatters have resources to search for you. The information is the same as the online searches. 

Are you in contact with the person below -

Inglewood Cemetery Trust
Mrs S Geyer
Secretary
12 Almond Avenue
Bridgewater   Vic  3516

What is the source of your information...are sources noted?

What was Charlotte's surname and when did she die?

I have searched the Victorian Government Gazettes and nothing for a  Richard STONE, publican, Ballarat or Bendigo.  If they were in Ballarat or Bendigo during the goldrush there would have been many, many hotels.  The STONE's do not appear on this index of 19thC publicans.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08o5/

You may like to search the online newspapers in case there was a snippet of news re Richard.
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

I will have a search of my own resources, directories etc. but will be away from my computer for a couple of days.

I will ask a moderator to move this request to the Australian Board where you will receive help.

Getting late for me...bedtime

Cheers
Cando

[Miss Pookie]

Hi Cando.

Thank you so very much for your message.

Johannah (Jonna) seems to be a very elusive lady but i feel this connection to her that drives me to keep trying to crack her and her family. My main goal at the end of all this is to find my original family crest. So i'll keep trying. 

I did contact Inglewood cemetery by e-mail about 8 months ago and quite sure it was Mrs S Geyer, she told me she couldn't help because there probably wouldn't be a stone left at the site and it would be too hard to find if there was !!!! End of help !!

Charlotte was a STONE, born 1849?? and died at age 32 in Victoria. She was a spinster.

As for the Hotel they supposedly owned, i have no more information on that. I was also told that Jonna ran a "Canvas Boarding House" on the Golfields to support herself and the children after Richard left.

I was also told that Jonna and the children came over to Australia on the ship "Thorswaldon" in 1855 but can't find anything on that either.

Most all of my information has come from a cousin (now deceased) of my Grandmother (now deceased) who was the son of Jonna's grand-daughter, Evelyn Ada Manning. Also my Uncle Hal (now deceased) apparently had a professional genealogist research for him in England and Ireland, which is where i got the information that we originate from the, (quoting the copy of the paperwork i have) - "Fitzgerald clan, Kings of Northern Ireland". Would LOVE to find out if that is true and then get the crest.

Thank you so much for all your help, even though i have been researching Jonna on and off for 10 years, this is the first time i have joined any sites, so it's all quite new to me. I am very pleasantly surprised at how so many people try to help me and eachother. It is fantastic !!

Now i'm off to keep searching !! I must try and get to bed before 2am tonight !! hahah

Sandra (Miss Pookie)

[cando]

I did contact Inglewood cemetery by e-mail about 8 months ago and quite sure it was Mrs S Geyer, she told me she couldn't help because there probably wouldn't be a stone left at the site and it would be too hard to find if there was !!!! End of help !!

The above statement does not make sense...the Secretary would search the burial registers not search for a headstone...unless you had made that request.  Burial registers record the details of the burials and the grave locations.

Secretaries and members of cemetery trusts in rural Victoria are volunteers and you don't appear have Johanna's death certificate stating she was actually buried at Inglewood.  The Secretary lives at Bridgewater and the cemetery is at Inglewood although the towns are quite close to one another.   I am doubting that the person you contacted was the Secretary and am wondering who you emailed...the only email address mentioning Inglewood Cemetery, I can find is for Victorian Managed Insurance Authority for the cemetery and Inglewood Kindergarten. I am unable to locate an email address for the Trust.

I would suggest reading this link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08on/
which includes a publication for sale  'Inglewood Cemetery Records' by Arthur Treble.

I have spoken to the Secretary's husband this morning and will phone her next week. He mentioned she has all the registers and would be more than happy to search for the burial record.  Some of the pages of the registers are in a very fragile state.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Charlotte was a STONE, born 1849?? and died at age 32 in Victoria. She was a spinster.

I cannot find a death registration for a Charlotte STONE aged 32 years of age at death, in Victoria. 

Is this Alfred yours - perhaps a mistranscribed mother's given name. Joan is certainly not a commonly occurring name in the 1860's.  But ? born London.

STONE Alfred
Father Richard  Mother Joan UNKNOWN
17 years born London  1868  Reg#3021

Do you have any certificates at all for your ancestors?  Family stories are invaluable in family research but there are often errors.

Did the genealogist quote his sources of information and include copies of parish register entries in Ireland, in his 'paperwork' ?

Sorry about all the questions, but that is what family history research is all about.  Only way we can proceed or help you.

Will post the result of my telephone call to the Trust Secretary next week when she returns home.  Hopefully it will be good news

Cheers
Cando

[Miss Pookie]

Hi Cando,

Sorry, could be my mistake about Mrs Geyer. I know i went to a site that had something to do with Inglewood cemetery, or possibly Ballarat/Bendigo and i think i then clicked on a few links (one of thousands over the years !!) and that is where i found whoever it was i e-mailed, who said they couldn't help me. I remember thinking at the time, "gee, that was a bit blase' of them !" and was very disheartened and perplexed. My apologies to Mrs Geyer. I just looked through ALL my e-mails i have saved for anything to do with my ancestry and couldn't locate the e-mail i sent, so i probably deleted it after they? offered no help.

I am more than happy to answer any of your questions, in fact i think it's great !!    I have searced everywhere for a death or birth/baptism (b. 1819 Halston, Suffolk England) certificate on Johannah or Charlotte or any of the family for that matter and can't find anything !! >:  The Professional Genealogist that my Uncle hired did actually go to the Parishes etc. My Uncle lived and died in Malta and as to where the original book that the Genealogist did is.... i have no idea. The 'paperwork' i refered to is a one page copy of one page from the book. So i know that is definitely correct.

The Alfred that you found is not my Alfred (b.c 1851, Middlesex, Finsbury England. Christened,10 April 1851 St Andrew, Holborn. England). He apparently died at age 19 in a mining accident at the "Sir Willian Don" mine, Victoria, although that could have been their other son Henry ( b. 1845 or 1849 Surry, Lambeth England). I have a certified copy of Johannah and Richards original marriage certificate which i just received from England last week. I also have a original copy of a  1851 England Census of the whole family. I have a copy of the original marriage certificate of Johannah and Richards daughter, Emily Alice (b.1846. d.1925) to Henry Richard Manning (b.1837 d.1890) in Victoria 1863, which Johannah and Richard have signed as witnesses, (although Johannah signed with an "X" and under the name 'Jonna Jarrold ??) All the family called her Jonna, but what is unusual is that she was married to Richard so should have been a 'Stone' but signed it with her maiden name 'Jarrold' ? Very odd !!! I also have a copy of an original "Order of the Black Knights of Ireland", which is Emily's husbands, Henry Manning, which is in Victoria, ( a lodge thing i think ). I am very confindent that Jonna, Alfred, Harry, Emily and Charlotte all died in Victoria.

WOW....sorry, i hope i haven't overwhelmed you with all the information. It just seems that i have a bundle full of info on all of them (apart from Jonna's birth cert. which i DESPERATELY want) from England but once they arrived in Australia (1855) there seems to be almost nothing !!! Very very wierd. I think she may have been trying to hide from Richard.

Looking forward to hearing from you and once again thank you so much for your help and guidance. 

Sandra

[cando]

Hi Sandra

The 'paperwork' I refered to is a one page copy of one page from the book. So i know that is definitely correct.

Sandra
I would like to see the resources and references detailed eg the death of Alfred, if it was in Victoria, was incorrect.


You may have emailed the Victorian Managed Insurance that has an email address for the person who obviously is the contact person for the Trust insurance.  She wouldn't be able to help you at all with cemetery/burial records.

This is your Alfred.  There is no other Alfred STONE deaths in Victoria in Victoria between 1860 and 1884 of the right age - the other deaths were for children under 11 years of age.  Who did the research and gave you this information?

http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/miners/s.htm
STONE, Alfred
29 Apr 1868
Killed
Ballarat
Sir William Don
   

STONE Alfred
Father Richard  Mother Joan UNKNOWN
17 years born London  1868  Reg#3021

Victorian Inquest Index
STONE Alfred
At Ballarat  Ref#384
1868
Cause Injury Machinery

I think a few certificates are needed to validate the information you have been given.

Cheers
Cando