JOHN LITTLE, Bottlemaker, Dublin

[MonicaL]

Hi Alison

I'm getting more confused again 

I thought we had John Two (born c. 1841) in Dublin, onto his second marriage to Isabella Barr, through the 1870s and potentially into the 1880s given some of the birth entries that have been found - including your grandfather Andrew in 1878 in Dublin.

Monica

[aghadowey]

Earlier in this thread I suggested checking 1911 census-

1911 census lists several Littles who were bottlemakers but differencet religions so perhaps not all connected - use advanced search option for Lit*(surname) Dublin (county) and bottle* (occupation).

1911 Census- 14 Barrow St. (Pembroke West), Dublin:
Ritchie Little, 48, Church of Ireland, Scotland, bottle maker
wife Margaret Little, 43, R.C., Dublin City, married 22 years, 10 children/6 living
dau. Teresa Little, 17, Church of Ireland, Dublin Co.
son Richard Little, 12, Church of Ireland, Dublin Co., scholar
son Joseph Little, 10, Church of Ireland, Dublin Co., scholar
dau. Mary Little, 7, Church of Ireland, Dublin Co., scholar
son Samuel Little, 5, Church of Ireland, Dublin Co., scholar
dau. Grace Little, 2, Church of Ireland, Dublin Co.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000118463/

[little alison]

Yes, that checks with my father's tree, except he has them in the wrong order. - John Two's grandchildren via his first wife, and her first son Richard. (Married a Margaret Tobin according to my dad).
Maybe they did all stay in Ireland until 1896, South Africa.

We don't know when they went there, though. John Two was born in Dumbarton in 1841.  When he was ten they were in Glasgow (1851). In the 1861 census they were in Glasgow but John Two has left home. I have a date of 1866 for his first marriage, but it's just a note on Dad's tree.

I'm being very slow about this, but I get confused myself with the two Johns and Isabels!  I have checked all this with my notes now, so I hope it's right. Please correct if you think I'm wrong!
If I could find the sisters, might even try for certificates, though it's expensive.

[MonicaL]

Alison, remember we have John Two's first marriage to Margaret May in Glasgow in 1860 and their 1861 census entry lodging.

Their first born shows as Ritchie (who Aghadowey has found in the 1911 census) and from there children were born in Lanarkshire up to the end of 1868. The next child, Alexander, shows as born in Dublin in 1870, so Margaret and John Little look to have moved to Dublin between these two births.

Monica 

[little alison]

Yes, that's good. So he would have been in Dublin from 1868-70 until 1896. That clears my head a bit!

Means he must have married in Scotland, too, if the 1866 date is right. And married again in dublin?

[MonicaL]

Not sure about the details of the second marriage to Isabella Barr - likely in Dublin post 1870 from what we have seen of John Two's movements. I'm not good at searching on the Irish BMDs, but hopefully it will show there on the indexes  Nothing shows on Scotlands People.

The first marriage we had from IGI, to Margaret May, on 31 DEC 1860 High Church, Glasgow.

Monica

[shanew147]

The Irish Civil BMD Index on familysearch is down for maintenance, and hopefully bug-fixing, at the moment, but I'll have a look for the Little/Barr marriage in the 1870s when it's back in action


Shane

[MonicaL]

That would be great Shane  Last child from first marriage to Margaret May shows as born in Dec 1870 in Dublin (IGI) and then from second marriage to Isabella Barr, first child from that marriage shows as born March 1872 (IGI). Quite a tight window there 

Monica

[shanew147]

found a possible marriage cross-match :

 Name: John Little
 Registration District: Dublin South
 Event Type: Marriage
 Year: 1871
 Volume Number: 7 /  Page Number: 676

 Name: Isabella Barr
 [same index details]

see the topic 2 Minute Introduction to Irish Records for details on searching the index, ordering certs etc..

p.s. there's two possible deaths for Margaret in 1870 that could fit, one born c1832 the other born c1842


Shane