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Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« on: Monday 10 May 10 16:52 BST (UK) »
Hi All,
I hope someone can please help and do a look up on the 1901 census for Frederick Richard Carmont aged 9, his Father William Henry died in 1897 and his Mother  Florence Janet Barclay remarried in 1901, so I'm trying to find who he is living with and what happened to him after 1901 as I can find no death for him.
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Beenie
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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 May 10 16:58 BST (UK) »
Could this be him?

Rg13 4361 67 27

Public house 37 Richard Lane/33 Holly Street
Sarah Ann Marshall 47 single publicaness bn Lincolnshire
Frederick Richard Carmont 9 son bn Sheffield
HArriet Jackson 18 servant
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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 May 10 17:00 BST (UK) »
Lizdb, you bet me too it.  I found the same one.

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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 May 10 17:45 BST (UK) »
Hi lizdb,
Thank you so much for this, it's really put a spanner in the works now, looks like I will have to send for his birth certificate and see if there is a Father's name on, as I've no clue who Sarah Ann Marshall is. Will now have to do some digging. Thanks too to dee melody for trying, I really appreciate it.
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Beenie
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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 May 10 20:13 BST (UK) »
Could this be him?

Rg13 4361 67 27

Public house 37 Richard Lane/33 Holly Street
Sarah Ann Marshall 47 single publicaness bn Lincolnshire
Frederick Richard Carmont 9 son bn Sheffield
HArriet Jackson 18 servant

The first part of the address is 37 Orchard Lane.

The Sheffield pub sources are confused about which pub this is. Some suggest that it is the Old Red Lion, which still exists, but that is now 18-20 Holly Street, so the wrong side of the street.

In 1891 Sarah Ann MARSHALL is landlady of the 'Yorkshire Stingo' Division St, also in Sheffield. (piece 3815 folio 125 page 19) . She has a barmaid called Florence J CARMOCK, Married, 29 born Putney (London). I wonder if this is the actual mother of Frederick?

There is this marriage group at FreeBMD:

GRO Marriages SEP Qtr 1884   
Barclay  Florence Janet    Sheffield  9c 660   
Booker  Mary     Sheffield  9c 660   
CARMONT  William Henry     Sheffield  9c 660   
GREENHEDGE  Albert     Sheffield  9c 660

Florence Janet BARCLAY's birth was registered in Bermondsey in London - not sure if that is right for Putney.

I think William Henry died in 1897 and it looks as though Florence remarried in 1901, before the census.

GRO Marriages MAR Qtr 1901   
Carmont  Florence Janet    Sheffield  9c 605   
North  Joseph     Sheffield  9c 605   

In the census they are at piece 4368 folio 26 page 6 - yet another pub. Joseph North was 52 - maybe he wasn't willing to be a step-father?
 
Hugh
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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 May 10 20:20 BST (UK) »
Sorry I didn't read your first message closely enough or I'd have seen you knew the parents' names :)

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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 May 10 22:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Hugh,
Thank you so much for this extra information, I had no idea when or where Florence was born. I will have to send for William Carmont and Florence's marriage certificate as I am now totally confused with Frederick's parentage. In 1891 William was living with his Father David and Stepmother Sarah in Rotherham, seems a bit strange that they are living apart at that time as Florence would have been pregnant with Frederick. I will have to wait now for the certificates and see if I have the correct information. Is it the 1901 census you mentioned Joseph North aged 52? Is he married to Florence?
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Beenie
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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 May 10 23:10 BST (UK) »
This is the 1901 household (reference as above):

Empire Hotel
86 Charles St
(Sheffield; St Paul's)

Joseph NORTH Head Marr 52 hotel keeper YKS Huddersfield
Florence J NORTH Wife Marr 38 Middlesex
Gertrude UTTLEY Serv Unm 22 Sheffield

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Re: Frederick Richard Carmont 1901 census
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 May 10 23:29 BST (UK) »
This may be a later address for Joseph NORTH:

North, Joseph (, Victualler).
Residing at Queen Adelaide, 32 Bramall Lane, Sheffield in 1905.
Recorded in: Whites Directory of Sheffield &Rotherham.

(from http://www.sheffieldindexers.com)

I can't find him in a 1911 or a 1919/20 trade directory

Hugh
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