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from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« on: Monday 10 May 10 10:29 BST (UK) »
can anyone help me with the will of a richard asshebye of hackney dated1558 i am trying to find the earliest ashbys in that parish and their place of origin which maybe ashby de la zouch as a Lord Zouch is recorded as beig in Hackney in 1600's.

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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 May 10 17:59 BST (UK) »
Parish records started in  the 1550's prior to this it was a very ad hoc affair.The Zouch family are well documented & there's an ancestral file on IGI going back to the 1200's.The earliest Ashby's in Leics. also go back to this time but are LDS member submits & you would have to contact the provider to find where this came from.The Manoral records & Heraldic Visitations would give the best details as the families seem to be landed.This would mean tracing one or both families to establish a connection to each other or to Leics.
It was common for titled people to live in London but have land in the Shires.

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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 May 10 19:14 BST (UK) »
you might be interested in this excellent website for Ashby De La Zouch Museum. they have extensive local records /photographs /family history stuff etc:

http://www.ashbydelazouchmuseum.org.uk/index.html

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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 May 10 09:51 BST (UK) »
thanks everyone for your kind help.  there are several goods leads that have been given to me but as a beginner there are still some questions i have to ask for help with.

What does the term "landed" mean does it suggest that the families had land or were stuck in a parish after settling there sorry if it seems crudely put but im not clear on this term.

Would a will of 1558 be written in latin and would you have to be quite to make a will in those days if it is in latin is there somewhere i can get help with reading it?

Am I making a very tenous connection between the Lord Zouche who lived in  Hackney and the Ashby line that seems to have originated in Hackney how could i prove the link between the two?

I will trace the earliest Ashby in Hackney which seems to be Richard Assheby of 1558 and offshoots of Edward Zouche the 12th Baronet who seem to died almost a hundred years later do you think this will help.


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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 May 10 12:26 BST (UK) »
can anyone help me with the will of a richard asshebye of hackney dated1558 i am trying to find the earliest ashbys in that parish and their place of origin which maybe ashby de la zouch as a Lord Zouch is recorded as beig in Hackney in 1600's.

I'm not sure what you are asking (bit slow in a morning  ;D )
Do you have a will for Richard dated 1558 or are you trying to find it?
Have you looked at the national archives documents online? There is a William Ashby sentence (legal ruling on disputed will I think) from Clerkenwell 1594, that is not so far from Hackney. The only Richard I see listed is from 1596 embroiderer in the City of London. Try searching from the advanced search,  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?searchType=powersearch using ashb* as that is likely to catch most of them, and set the date range to 1500-1600 and see if any look interesting. There is a Thomas Ashby will from 1523 in the City of London.

I think an early will could well be in Latin. I have seen posts on this site asking for help translating - either by posting bits for specific help or by asking if anyone will do the whole thing via email perhaps.

Not sure of the context of the "landed" question but if wills are involved then I would have thought it referred to land owned.

To be honest I think if you want to make any real connection between families then you have to concentrate on what you have as fact and try and work back from that. Ashby was a common place name (which is why the de la Zouch bit was tacked on to distinguish it. There is a bit about Lord Zouche in Hackney here http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/tudorhackney/localhistory/lochhy3.asp
(interesting that about the lobelia, I never knew that - I grew up in Ashby de la Zouch and always liked lobelias!).

Are you trying to push backwards from family history already established by someone else? What is the last bit that there is documentation for? That would be a good place to start (assuming that you trust the more recent stuff  ;D )

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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 May 10 15:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Gardener, interestingly enough there is a  Richard Asshebye will  of 1558 in Hackney archives I have checked with them and it is not in Latin but a 19thcent copy of an original document which does not appear to be online anywhere this is annoying as I shall have to get up there and phgotograph it. 

I am trying to find a marriage for a Charles Ashby and Mary Ann Sears in 1752 in somewhere called St Botolphs (without)  Aldersgate London  this is the earliest know Ashbys I have documented from family papers but they were not checked from originals only from IGI does this matter.

Funny about the Lobelias its amusing to think of Lord Zouches liking for flowers as he too was a keen gardener by all accounts although youd suspect he never did his own planting!

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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 May 10 15:18 BST (UK) »
The term landed means that they were a land owner (as in "landed gentry").

It's possible that the Lord Zouch in Hackney is related to the Baron Zouch who founded Ashby-De-La-Zouch, but not guaranteed.


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Re: from ashby de la zouch to hackney
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 May 10 19:26 BST (UK) »

I am trying to find a marriage for a Charles Ashby and Mary Ann Sears in 1752 in somewhere called St Botolphs (without)  Aldersgate London  this is the earliest know Ashbys I have documented from family papers but they were not checked from originals only from IGI does this matter.


Hi again. In another post you say 

"Family records which have been made from the IGI many years ago show a possible Charles Ashby's baptismal record at St Thomas Finsbury,  11th May 1756,  his parents are given as Charles Ashby and Mary Ann Ashby (nee Sears)."


But the IGI has the following marriage:

Charles Ashby to Mary Ann Sears, marriage at St Botolph Without Aldursgate, 3rd Dec 1852. Which seems to be the record you refer to above, only a 100 years later  ???

And there is an IGI entry for:

Charles Ashby  born 17 Dec 1853, bapt 11 May 1856 at St Thomas Charterhouse, Finsbury, parents Charles Ashby and Mary Ann.

Which again is 100 years later than in your post but has the same names and date (other than year).
Is it possible that things have got muddled together?

I'll look at your thread about Charles  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,450809.msg3128934.html#msg3128934 and have a think  :)
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