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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #243 on: Sunday 22 July 07 10:35 BST (UK) »
Dear Ian:
Thank you for your information.
 Questions:
1. I have found the following spellings recorded, "Donn", "Donne", "Donn" and "Down"? 
2. I have also noted the controversy of whether it is "Rob Donn Calder", "Rob Down" or Rob Donn Mackay? 
3. Where did the name "Donn" come from or does it have a Gaelic meaning?
4. His brother was named "Donald Dubh" - what does that mean? (Donald the Brown some say). Any other siblings?
5. It is also suggested that he was adopted by the Mackays?
6. Was it  Janet Mackay (nee Mackay) he married and do you know DOM?
7. Wd love to receive the partial records you have if that would not be too much trouble.
8. I will of course let you know of any information I am able to "dig up" (so to speak).  With kind regards Maggie
   

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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #244 on: Sunday 22 July 07 13:12 BST (UK) »
Maggie,

I will try to answer your questions:
1,2,3 &4. “Donn” in Gaelic means brown. When applied to a person, I think it meant brown hair but many people would have had brown hair so perhaps it also referred to complexion. At that time, in every day conversation, people did not use surnames, presumably because of the duplication of names. Just imagine how many John Mackays there would have been. Instead, they were referred to and identified by an “eke” name. In the parish register, the minister refers to them as “aliases”. These eke names took several forms, the principal ones being patronymics  (e.g. son of  X, or mac [father’s name] mhic  [grandfather’s name]) and physical attributes (e.g. Donn/brown; Dubh/black; Ban/white/fair; Og/smaller/younger) Sometimes the eke name is retained for several generations and takes on the fuction of a family name, as was the case with Rob Donn. His father and brothers all had the eke name Donn. The siblings that I know of are: William, Donald, and Gilbert.

Two entries in the PR for 1765 might illustrate the point:
“Hugh Calder, alias Down, in Balamhulich, christened Mary”
“Gilbert Calder, alias Down, in Teagisgil, John”
(Gilbert was one of Rob’s brothers. I don’t know who Hugh was.)

The Gaelic used in the Durness Parish Register, and several other places, was mostly phonetic representations. For example “Down” appears to be fairly close to how “Donn” would be pronounced. However, I think Gaelic is difficult to represent phonetically and “Donn” might also be represented by “Don-yuh”, or somewhere between the two.

There were many Calders in the parish of Durness, and elsewhere in the North of Scotland. They were often called Ekel. I do not know whether they were Mackays but I doubt that they were descended from Aodh (from whom the clan gets its name). Then, again, neither were most “Mackays”. They just assumed the name when a surname became required. They would probably have been adherents of that clan at one time.

5. I do not think he was adopted by the Mackays. When he was a young lad, he was taken into the service of John Mackay of Claiseneach, or, as he was known in Gaelic, Iain mac Eachain ‘ic Iain, a cousin of the Chief. Iain lived at Muisel in Strathmore and was Manager of the chief’s cattle business. Rob Donn  was a cowherd and lived at the main house among the servants.

6. Yes his wife’s name was Janet Mackay, daughter of Thomas Mackay. I do not know the marriage date. It would have been before the PR commenced.

7. My records are in a data base – FTM.  I have not been able to discover how to extract certain parts of information and transmit them electronically, other than to someone who has compatible software. What do you use?

Ian
Morrison, MacKay, MacCulloch, Sutherland, Dingwall, MacLeod, Donn, Calder,Blyth/Blythe; Baxter; Woodburn;Fleming;Hobkirk

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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #245 on: Tuesday 24 July 07 06:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much IanB:
1. Understand.
2. Do you have DOB/DOD or DOM's for his siblings?
3. It is difficult to ensure you have the right name when it is phoenetic. I was looking for a "Perry" and it was recorded as "Pirrie"!!!
4. He was very young when he went to live with John Mackay - do you know how old he was?
5. Thomas Mackay - any DOB/DOM/DOD or wife's name?
6. Yes I have FTM as well.

Thank you once again.  Sincerely Maggie

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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #246 on: Thursday 26 July 07 07:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Maggie,

I am on vacation and will try to answer when I return and have access to my files. I wsill also try to isolate the dependents and ancestors and siblings of Rob Donn and send you a ftm file. Would you please send me your Email address by PM.

Kind regards.

Ian
Morrison, MacKay, MacCulloch, Sutherland, Dingwall, MacLeod, Donn, Calder,Blyth/Blythe; Baxter; Woodburn;Fleming;Hobkirk


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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #247 on: Thursday 26 July 07 08:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian:

As requested, email address is:
 


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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #248 on: Thursday 26 July 07 19:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Maggie. If you are concerned about your Email address being on the list permanently, so to speak, perhaps you should try to edit this post and send me a personal message.

Ian
Morrison, MacKay, MacCulloch, Sutherland, Dingwall, MacLeod, Donn, Calder,Blyth/Blythe; Baxter; Woodburn;Fleming;Hobkirk

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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #249 on: Friday 27 July 07 02:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ian - how to I go about doing that?

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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #250 on: Friday 27 July 07 06:06 BST (UK) »
Hello Maggie
Click on IanB and a new page will open.  Scroll down and you will see in blue "Send this Rootschatter a personal message" and click on that. 
Best wishes
Carol
*Whyte - Durness and Eddrachillis, *MacKenzie - Scourie, *McKay/Mackay - Durness, * MacLeod - Eddrachillis, *Campbell - Durness, *Morrison - Eddrachillis, *Fraser - Golspie. *Dingwall - Clyne & Durness.

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Re: Durness Parish Register
« Reply #251 on: Friday 27 July 07 08:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carol, but how do I delete the message I already sent?