Help needed to 'kill off' a couple of POTTINGERS

[Captain2]

Yes I had thought that was a good possibility too, I have spent the afternoon (frustratingly) looking for earlier marriages by Mary to a Mr. Coates/Coakes/Coke no luck yet, but I certainly feel it is worth a try  I am more inclined to believe that Melytia/Leytita is connected with Mary rather than John Pottinger . I feel that Mary would be more likely to keep the baby and bringing her up if she was possibly her grand-daughter. Each extra mouth to feed was at a cost so Mary must have had a very good reason to keep the baby with her.  The notion that this is a child of Mary's (first) Elizabeth who was entered in the Registers as Pottinger has more substance to it the more I think about it. 
I also feel that this Elizabeth has died - I may be wrong -  I can find   no trace of her after the baptism of Letitia - nothing, no burial, no marriage - she just vanished!  I also feel that Mary would not call her daughter Elizabeth (daughter with JP) if this Elizabeth was still alive.
I thought about  Bastardy Records, but it seems from what I have read that (if it exists) it may be a long -shot as they were not documents that were always kept.

I will carry on now with looking for a marriage and possible children from an earlier marriage for Mary..

  Oh what fun !

[wickfield]

Hi everyone!

If Ann Lambourn's maiden name was Coke and if Ann and Mary were sisters, then Mary's maiden name would also be some form of Coke/Coakes.  If Mary Coakes married someone before she married John Pottinger then his last name could really be anything.  I agree with Angie that Melytia/Leytita is more likely to be connected to Mary Coakes than John Pottinger, because of how connected they remained on into the future where as John Pottinger's children (namely William Pottinger) left the area forever after his father 1758 John Pottinger and his grandmother 1721 Elizabeth (Church) Pottinger died.  I really don't know what happened to the other two children of John and Hannah Pottinger.  Is there a marriage (or death record) for any of the other children of John and Hannah (Adnams) Pottinger, namely Mary Pottinger (c. 1786 in East Ilsley) and Sarah Pottinger (c. 1789 in East Ilsley).

I have the Pottinger's of Compton and they are seperate from the East Isley ones. John Pottinger of Compton, Inn proprieter, married Elizabeth Head in 1759.

In case anyone is interested, the John Pottinger of Compton, Inn proprieter, married to Elizabeth Head in 1759, is a distant cousin of the 1687 John Pottinger married to Ann Lever.  The two John Pottingers share the common ancestor John Pottinger (c. 1588) of Compton married to Katheren Pyper in 1613.  And the 1588 John Pottinger is the son of Gregory Pottinger (d. 1639) of Compton married to Catharyn Allwyn (d. 1631) in 1585 in Compton.

Best regards,

Diane 

[Sloe Gin]

If Ann Lambourn's maiden name was Coke and if Ann and Mary were sisters, then Mary's maiden name would also be some form of Coke/Coakes. 

This is certainly possible, the spellings are all over the place.  I did wonder if Ann was a COOK.

If Mary Coakes married someone before she married John Pottinger then his last name could really be anything. 

Not so, if she was a widow then it's her maiden name that we don't know.  She married him as Coakes.

I really don't know what happened to the other two children of John and Hannah Pottinger.  Is there a marriage (or death record) for any of the other children of John and Hannah (Adnams) Pottinger, namely Mary Pottinger (c. 1786 in East Ilsley) and Sarah Pottinger (c. 1789 in East Ilsley).

Nothing that I can see in EI.  But there are various other parishes nearby that aren't easily checkable online.

[Captain2]

I did find this as a  possible for Sarah Pottinger (1789) daughter of JP and Hannah.
A bit of a long-shot without any proof I'm afraid, but right age and right place  so I thought was worth a look:
Census 1851 HO107/1694/F390 Cookham Union, Cookham, Berks
Sarah May. Widow. 62. Born East Ilsley
Census 1841 HO107/0021/11/F10 Great Common, Inkpen, Berks
Jonas May. Head. 55. Ag Lab
Sarah May. Wife. 55
Jesse May. 15.
Marriage : (submitted entry only) About 1810 Jonas May to 'Mrs' Sarah May ?? Inkpen, Berkshire.
Haven't  been able to find anything else for their marriage on the IGI, maybe someone else will have more luck 

[ribbo39]

Hi all,
I have found a marriage by licence of of John Pottinger - is he one of the many you are trying to find?
Marriage  - Wilts, Dorset & Berks Marriage Licence Bonds (ex WFHS)
Licence # 33138 POTTINGER, John, Yeo, Beedon, Berks, WID to Mary COOKS East Ilsley, Sp. Bondsman - William HUSEY, Servt. Oct. 15 1792

I see this marriage is in the East Ilsley's PRs but that Mary is listed as COAKES, botp and the date is Oct 17

Perhaps you have this info already

Alan

[Sloe Gin]

Ah splendid stuff, Alan, thank you so much for this.  That answers an important question - Mary was not married before so her birth name is Coakes or a variant thereof.

Appears to be an anomaly over John's parish, but not much - the family seems to have been at Ashridge Farm which is just on the Beedon/East Ilsley borders.  We know John was a widower but it was Mary we weren't sure of.  Angie will be pleased with this! 

[Captain2]

  There isn't a smiley for 'hop skip and jump' that's terrific Alan! I have just written to Berks RO for any information they may have, and now you have found it for us, I'm delighted.   It answers many questions.  Melissha/Leytita Pottinger is my( g x ...) grandmother so a personal connection for me .

Well done & very many thanks for taking the time and effort

Angie

[Captain2]

Hi all,

I receive confirmation that in the original EI registers the marriage is between John Pottinger and Mary Coakes
October 15th 1792 is the date the licence was issued
and  October 17th 1792 the date of the marriage.

A very BIG thank you to all, your help and advice has been much appreciated.  I shall carry on now trying to get to the bottom of the Melytia/Melissha/Leytita mystery - wish me luck!

Very kind regards

Angie

[matgeorges]

Hi
Our family are the Pottingers of Compton Of Roden House. I have an extensive tree and they are not from East Ilsley. They were in Compton in the 1500's. We are descended from Rachel who married John Palmer from East Ilsley.  I am happy to see if you're are on the tree if it helps but none of the names ring a bell. Michelle