Help needed to 'kill off' a couple of POTTINGERS

[wickfield]

Hi Sloe Gin,

I don't have a burial date for John Pottinger (c. 1758, East Ilsley), but I do know that John Pottinger's ancestors are indeed from Compton.  Also, the Elizabeth Pottinger (c. 25 Mar 1783, East Ilsley) born to John and Hannah (Adnams) Pottinger is not the mother of Melytia aka Letitia (the illegitimate daughter born to an Elizabeth Pottinger in 1801), as Elizabeth Pottinger (c. 1783) died in October 1792 in East Ilsley (Berkshire death record says Elizabeth Pottinger d/o John and Hannah). 

After Hannah (Adnams) Pottinger died at a young age leaving John with the small children, he married Mary Coates (Mary Cokes c. 11 Nov 1759 in Buckleberry) in 17 Oct 1792 and they named their first daughter born in 17 Nov 1793 in East Ilsley, Elizabeth Pottinger (that explains the two Elizabeths).

John and Hannah (Adnams) Pottinger had the following children:

Elizabeth (c. 25 Mar 1783, East Ilsley)
William (c. 29 Oct 1784, East Ilsley) -- My GGGGrandfather
Mary (c. 6 Oct 1786, East Ilsley)
Sarah (c. 31 Jul 1789. East Ilsley)

And John Pottinger's (c. 1758) parents were John Pottinger (1720-1786, East Ilsley) and Elizabeth Church (1721-1800) and they married 5 Feb 1755 in East Ilsley and had the following children:

John (1758-)
William (1761-1764)


Furthermore, the 1720-1786 John Pottinger's parents were John Pottinger (b. 1687 Compton - d. Oct 1748 East Ilsley) and Ann Lever (b. 1683 North Moreton - d. 1754 East Ilsley), and they married 03 Aug 1712 in Basildon, Berkshire, and had the following children:

Mary (b. 1713 Compton)
Anne (b. 1714 Compton
Elizabeth (b. 1716 Compton)
Martha (1718 East Ilsley)
John (1720 East Ilsley)
Thomas (1722 East Ilsley)
Joanna (1728 East Ilsley).

So the Compton to East Ilsley linkage is as follows:

Thomas Pottinger,
of Compton
1651-1713
m. Elizabeth
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John Pottinger,
of Compton
1687-1748
m. Ann Lever
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John Pottinger,
of East Ilsley
1720-1786
m. Elizabeth (Eliza) Church
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John Pottinger,
of East Ilsley
1758-
m. Hannah Adnams
m. Mary Coates

If you would like to share more information please let me know.

Thanks,

Diane

[Sloe Gin]

Well, that's interesting, thanks.

There's no burial for Elizabeth Pottinger d/o John & Hannah in East Ilsley 1792 (mind you I only have the transcript to hand), but BBI shows a burial in Chieveley 21 Oct 1792 of Elizabeth Pottinger d/o John, could be she was buried with her mother then.

I don't have any family connection with the Pottingers myself, as I said, it was just a puzzle why the curate thought Melytia was Mary's daughter, but as they were living in the same house it was probably a natural assumption anyway.  So who was the Elizabeth Pottinger who was the mother of Melytia    there is certainly some connection.  Can't be the daughter of John & Mary, obviously, she's way too young.  Do you have any other candidates?  I know Captain2 will be interested! - see

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419951.0.html

the 1720-1786 John Pottinger's parents were John Pottinger (b. 1687 Compton - d. Oct 1748 East Ilsley) and Ann Lever (b. 1683 North Moreton - d. 1754 East Ilsley), and they married 03 Aug 1712 in Basildon, Berkshire, and had the following children:

Mary (b. 1713 Compton)
Anne (b. 1714 Compton
Elizabeth (b. 1716 Compton)
Martha (1718 East Ilsley)
John (1720 East Ilsley)
Thomas (1722 East Ilsley)
Joanna (1728 East Ilsley).

Do you have Ann's will, it mentions another daughter, Sarah who was the twin (presumably) of Rosanna, bap 1725.  Rosanna predeceased her parents and there is an MI for the three of them.  Let me know if you don't have these.
 

[wickfield]

Hi Sloe Gin,

Thank you for your reply.  No, I don't have a copy of Ann (Lever) Pottinger's will that mentions the daughter Sarah.  I knew about the twins Sarah and Rosanna born in 1725 in East Ilsley, but the christening listed the mother as "Martha" Pottinger and I didn't know if there was a connection.  Can you send me a copy of Ann's will or at least tell me where I can get a copy?  What is an MI?

A distant cousin of mine went to the Record Office in Berkshire and that's where she found the burial for Elizabeth Pottinger d/o John & Hannah in Oct 1792 (she never really said it was East Ilsley, I just assumed that, so you're right about that).  Although, my cousin did specifically find that Hannah (Adnams) Pottinger was buried in Chieveley in 1792.  So you're probably right that Elizabeth Pottinger d/o John, could have been buried with her mother in Chieveley.

Speaking of Chieveley, John Pottinger's (c. 1758) mother, Elizabeth Church, was from Chieveley and was related to Hannah Adnams her son's first wife -- so there is an East Ilsley and Chieveley connection.

On another note, perhaps the mother, Elizabeth Pottinger, was from a nearby location (West Compton or elsewhere) but just had the baby Melytia christened in East Ilsley.  I have found in my research on this Pottinger family, who all seem to originate from Compton, that many of the Compton Pottingers especially from "West" Compton often married (had Banns read) and had children christened in East Ilsley for whatever reason.  My cousin went to the church in Compton recently and someone there told her that there was actually an area called West Compton.

Btw, who is the "Mary" who you are connecting to Melytia?  Could Elizabeth Pottinger have been a Mary or perhaps called herself Mary from a middle name as her daughter Melytia changed from Letitia?  Did you ever find a death record for Elizabeth Pottinger sometime after 1801?

Thanks again for the information.

Diane   
 

[Captain2]

Captain2 (Angie) Hi  Sorry I haven't read all the post yet only that Elizabeth Pottinger is not Melytita's mother ( oh heck)  and that immediatey caught my eye! Iwill read through the post now.

Angie

[Captain2]

Well what a mystery.. Melytia Pottinger was bought up as the 'daughter' of Mary Brown ( widow of John Pottinger).  If Elizabeth (daughter of John & Hannah) has died in 1792  then who is Elizabeth Pottinger ? mother of Melytia  and why is John's widow Mary bringing her up as her own daughter? 


Nothing like a good mystery - eh !

There has to be  family connection somewhere.

Angie

[Sloe Gin]

No, I don't have a copy of Ann (Lever) Pottinger's will that mentions the daughter Sarah.  I knew about the twins Sarah and Rosanna born in 1725 in East Ilsley, but the christening listed the mother as "Martha" Pottinger and I didn't know if there was a connection.  Can you send me a copy of Ann's will or at least tell me where I can get a copy?  What is an MI?

East Ilsley Wills and East Ilsley Monumental Inscriptions (MI) are both available on CDs from East Ilsley Local History Society through http://www.sigmabooks.co.uk  (the second Wills CD is more complete)

Yes, the mother of Sarah & Rosanna is given as Martha in the PR, but the MI clears this up.  I expect the clerk made a mistake and wrote down what he saw rather than what he heard/knew, as the mother in the previous baptism is a Martha.  That's often how these things happen.

The MI:  "In memory of JOHN POTTINGER who died (--) Oct 17(4)8 aged 6(1) years Also of ROSIN(A) daughter of JOHN and ANN POTTINGER who died (20) Ma(r) 17(--) aged 18 years"

My cousin went to the church in Compton recently and someone there told her that there was actually an area called West Compton.

The oldest part of Compton, where the church is, is sometimes referred to as Compton Parva.  There are relatively few houses up there nowadays, but back in the day it would have been the main part of the village.  These days the village has spread out further to the west, but there are some older cottages in this part too.

Btw, who is the "Mary" who you are connecting to Melytia?  Could Elizabeth Pottinger have been a Mary or perhaps called herself Mary from a middle name as her daughter Melytia changed from Letitia?  Did you ever find a death record for Elizabeth Pottinger sometime after 1801?

As Angie says, Mary is John Pottinger's widow Mary nee Coates/Cokes, who later married a Brown.  Melytia and her husband were living with Mary (widow Brown) in 1831 when Melytia's husband was described as Mary's son-in-law.   (In this case it cannot mean stepson, as is sometimes found.)  No, I haven't looked far for a death for Elizabeth, or a marriage which is the other possibility of course.


 

[Captain2]

Hi Jill,

Going back to your original request - John Pottinger.  I have just had a look at the Will of John Pottinger of Compton ( Sept 1802- proved 1803) he mentions ( I think) son Reverend ....? Pottinger and daughter Rachel Palymer (?) so I don't think he is the 'one' from East Ilsley.  Right dates, wrong family ! You were quite right in thinking the 1803 wasn't him. No luck in finding the'right' JP tho' - sorry. 


Regards Angie

[Sloe Gin]

Did you mean me?  That'll be the Rev. Head Pottinger I reckon, he was the vicar of Compton if I remember right.  Rachel married a Palmer, that's right.   There's an extraordinary 1788 will of Thomas Palmer in East Ilsley that mentions him (and John Pottinger of Ashridge Farm who is the one I've been on about).  Thomas gives very lengthy instructions for his funeral and lots of people get a mention, it's quite a read! 

[wickfield]

Hi Angie and SG,

Thank you for the replies. 

Angie:  How do you know that Letitia Pottinger later used the name Melytia?  How were you able to make that connection?  Also, why is Mary Brown referred to as the widow of John Pottinger and not the widow of Mr. Brown?  And finally how were you able to find out that Mary Brown's maiden name was Coates/Cokes or was it related to the possibility that Melytia's mother, Elizabeth, may have been the daughter of John and Hannah Pottinger?  I'm sure that Letitia Pottinger is connected to the Pottingers in Compton some how, and if I could have more information, I may be able to help you make those conections. I've done a lot of research connecting the East Ilsley Pottingers to the Compton Pottingers.

SG:  Regarding the MI you mentioned  "In memory of JOHN POTTINGER who died (--) Oct 17(4)8 aged 6(1) years Also of ROSIN(A) daughter of JOHN and ANN POTTINGER who died (20) Ma(r) 17(--) aged 18 years"   I didn't know that John and Ann (Lever) Pottinger also had another son John Pottinger who died at 6 years old, because John Pottinger's (c. 1758) father John Pottinger was born in 1720.  Do you have any information as to when the other John was born?

Thanks again for the information.

Diane