Help needed to 'kill off' a couple of POTTINGERS

[Captain2]

Sorry SG calling you Jill, this is all getting a bit confusing! Yes that's the Will, I thought it said  Reverend Head Pottinger but wasn't sure.

Hi Diane,

Let's start with what I know ..
Baptism for Letitia Pottinger 20 Sept 1801 East Isley. Mother Elizabeth Pottinger. Taken from 'familysearch' IGI C155331 for East Ilsley.

Melytia Pottinger marriage to Thomas Rumble 8th Sept 1823 East Ilsley, Berks. Witnesses James Deacon
(Parish clerk) and Ann Lambourn.

Leytia and Thomas living at 31 Cow Lane, East Isley with Mary Brown (widow) 1831.  Thomas Rumble described as son-in-law.  Transcribed Melytia in the 1841 but 1851 transcribed in the census as Freylita
So we have Letiya/Melytia/Freylita

Marriage of John Pottinger to Mary Coakes 17 Oct 1792 at East Ilsley
Taken from IGI M155331 for East Ilsley.
Their children : Elizabeth 1793 & Ann 1797.

Marriage of Mary Pottinger (widow) to William Brown 1805 East Ilsley

I think that's it..

So we have Leytia/Melytia living with Mary Brown in 1831 with her husband  Thomas Rumble described as Mary's son-in-law.

Quite a mystery!

 

[Captain2]

And.. I do think Diane, in fairness to SG's original post for John Pottinger's death dates, that we should take this off SG's post as we are hijacking the thread... sorry SG

Please PM me Diane and we can continue the discussion re the elusive Pottingers.

Kind Regards

Angie

[Sloe Gin]

I can confirm that the IGI entries quoted by Angie are in East Ilsley PRs.  

Also, the 1823 marriage to Thomas Rumble gives the bride's name as Melisha (over Letytia).  There are understandably a lot of spelling variations!

Now as to the JPs.  Not sure which other John you mean?  John & Ann Pottinger baptised a son John in EI on 14 Oct 1720.  He might be the one buried in 1786?

The MI presumably refers to John Pottinger b. 1687 who was buried in EI on 14 Oct 1748.  The bits in brackets are places where the inscription was illegible, but some of the missing figures were extrapolated using the parish registers.  He was sixty(something) which points to him being the JP born 1687, husband of Ann.  

No, do carry on discussing Pottingers here!  it's fine. 

[wickfield]

Hi everyone!

Thanks SG for clearing up the MI mis-reading on my part regarding John Pottinger -- I can see now that years refer to 61 or so years.

Also, I know that Elizabeth (Church) Pottinger (c. 1721) lived a long time until 1799 or so (I believe -- I have to check) in East Ilsley after her husband died and presumably helped them through those tragedies (Hannah's and daughter Elizabeth's deaths and husband's death).  But when she died a lot of things fell apart and my GGGGrandfather William Pottinger -- the only son -- left to go into the army actually making a career out of it. I believe the 1720 JP (married to Elizabeth Church and very few children) was fairly well off, but the 1758 JP (married to Hannah Adnams and and Mary Coates and several children) was not well off.

It's possible that Elizabeth Pottinger was a relative who came to East Ilsley to have her baby, Letitia, in 1801 and both were taken in by John and Mary (Coates) Pottinger afterwards to help when they couldn't go back to where they came from. [I don't think being a single mom was a great position to be in in those days].  John Pottinger obviously died before 1805 when Mary re-married.  Perhaps they all just continued to live together as a family helping each other out.  Perhaps Ann Lambourn is the Ann Pottinger (c. 1797) who was like a sister to Letitia (c. 1801) and Mary Coates was like a mother.  Did you ever find a death record for Elizabeth Pottinger after the 1801 birth?

Just some thoughts!

Diane

[wickfield]

Another thought had occured to me and that is perhaps Elizabeth, the mother of Letitia, was Mary Coates' daughter from another marriage.  Mary was older when she married the widower 1758 John Pottinger.  Do we know if Mary Coates was ever married before?

Best regards,

Diane

[Sloe Gin]

Elizabeth Church Pottinger was buried in EI on 29 Jan 1800 aged 79.

Ann Lambourn, there are a couple of candidates for her among my own connections so I don't think she was ever a Pottinger.  (Having said that, one of them was a COKE before she married and I don't know where she came from, so there might be a connection there.)

The Pottinger-Coakes marriage entry unfortunately doesn't give any status, only that they were both of the parish.  It was a marriage by licence though, so that might reveal something.  There was a Coak/Coake/Coakes family around up to the 1750s, they had a Mary but she seems to have died young.

No death for Elizabeth Pottinger in EI or Compton, and nothing that fits in the BBI.  I think it's most likely that she married after Letitia/Melytia was born.  Not in EI or Compton though.

[Captain2]

Hi all 

Haven't been able to find where Ann (Coke) Lambourn came from but found her marriage to Richard Lambourn 2 May 1791 in East Ilsley.  I have then found her on the 1841 census as Whitehill, East Ilsley aged 80, so perhaps birthdate c. 1761. Maybe sister to Mary (Coke/Coakes) Pottinger/Brown (c. 1759)  , therefore Aunty to Melytia/Letytia. That would be a connection - or clutching at straws!   

The first three children for Melytita & Thomas Rumble ( all daughters) Ann, Elizabeth & Mary.  Of course, they just have been the most popular names at the time, rather than 'clues' !

Still looking for the mother of Melytia/Letytia.

Regards

Angie

[Sloe Gin]

Yes, I think that's the most likely Ann.  They did have a daughter Ann b 1808, maybe a little young to be the marriage witness, but possible.  Also Richard Lambourn's brother John married Ann Skinner in 1798, but they disappear from the PR after 1801 when they buried a child, and I haven't found them again after that.  Most likely they left the village soon after, but they could still have been around in 1823.

[Sloe Gin]

Another thought had occured to me and that is perhaps Elizabeth, the mother of Letitia, was Mary Coates' daughter from another marriage.  Mary was older when she married the widower 1758 John Pottinger.  Do we know if Mary Coates was ever married before?

This might be worth looking into.  No indication in the PR as I said, but there was a licence.  Mary was buried 19 May 1841 and her age given as 78, suggests she was born c1763 - certainly old enough to have been a widow with a daughter the right age.  And feasible that any such daughter took her stepfather's name of Pottinger.