Author Topic: Caleb Cotton STEVENS 1842 Winsford Somerset UK  (Read 10097 times)

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Re: Caleb Cotton STEVENS 1842 Winsford Somerset UK
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 15 August 13 16:40 BST (UK) »
Oh dear but sometimes the truth hurts. Considering how Alex fared in 2008 I expect Mary had a pretty difficult time. Before the 1954 Midwifery Act babies died very often. If there appeared to be something wrong the midwife would smother the infant of just pop it under the bed where it snuffed it. Horrible but it happened. Have you read The Citadel by A.J. Cronin? There a story in it where the young and idealistic doctor realises that this has happened and he rescues the infant. He shouts for hot water and plunges the baby into the basin and then into cold water and back again. This works and the child lives. Bastards were treated very poorly. So sad since it wasn't their fault.
Have you looked at bmd roots? You can see a lot there but it isn't as complete as Ancestry.
How many children did Mary and Mathew have? There are Howes in Wheddon Cross still. Very kind people. Peter Howe acts as a Dutch uncle to both boys. Grandpa Colin is great fun and he makes no distinction between the boys. Lots of crawling on the floor and tower building.
Do you have children? So are you a cousin to Brendan? Or to Andrew? Or maybe both since you've discovered a connection to both Stevens families. I haven't found one yet.
Good luck,
Annis.

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Re: Caleb Cotton STEVENS 1842 Winsford Somerset UK
« Reply #28 on: Friday 16 August 13 16:12 BST (UK) »
Hi
Firstly I'm not directly connected to the Stevens family.  It's a bit complicated but Caleb Stevens' wife Louisa Jane Peppin was the daughter of Jane Peppin with her first husband John Peppin.  After John died Jane married John Sully and they had 8 children including Walter, my great-grandfather.  So the families are connected through Jane Sully (Peppin) nee Venn.

As for William Cotton, I have no idea who he was and what happened to him.  If only Caleb had been born the previous year in 1841 we may have had some clues from the census.  I have been unable to establish where Caleb's mother Mary was in 1841, Mary Stevens was a very common name at that time and of course that census did not show where they were born, only if in census county or not.

I have found three Caleb Stevens born around the same time and checked that they are on later census records, ie from 1871 when Caleb first appears at Brompton Regis.

The search goes on!


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Re: Caleb Cotton STEVENS 1842 Winsford Somerset UK
« Reply #29 on: Friday 16 August 13 16:21 BST (UK) »
Hi again
You asked about Matthew & Mary How's children, they had 8:
Margaret Ann How b Exton 1845 
John How           b Exton 1847   Unmarried in 1881 aged 32 m Sarah Greenslade in 1885
Mary How           b Exton 1852   married James Sydenham (1852) in 1874
Elizabeth Anne How b Exton 1857  possible marriage Robert Middleton orJohn Pope? 1881
George How        b Exton 1858   Unmarried in 1881 aged 22
Henry How        b Exton 1860 
Ann How           b Exton 1864 
Frederick How        b Exton 1868 ? Eva Ann Greenslade married Mar 1891 reg Bridgend

The 1851 census shows them at Exton Shop and from 1861 at Vinnicombe Farm, Exton.

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Re: Caleb Cotton STEVENS 1842 Winsford Somerset UK
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 17 August 13 12:02 BST (UK) »
Ok. I agree it is complicated. Having not one but two grandsons with a Stevens father who are not related - family relationships are tricky. What annoys me is family loyalty even when someone has behaved very badly. Just because the person is your relation doesn't mean that their behaviour can be considered exemplary! If it is wrong it is wrong. I've taken this stance with both Stevens families and they now realise that if they want to have contact with the boys they have to be nice. Some people have come round to my way of thinking, some have not. Alex is an emotional mess at the moment so we are giving her lots of support both emotional and financial. She's very lonely but her school friends are being great to her. They are all turning 30 this year and they've all invited Alex and Brendan to their birthday parties so she hasn't been left out unlike the family have done. I've been baby sitting so they've been able to go. It makes up for not having been able to make friends with Brendan's family other than his Dad who is marevelous. He even apologised on behalf of the Stevens family for Andrew's conduct and went to see his parents to try to sort it out. Such a star and Alex is very fond of him. I've got a tea towel which says Friends are the Family you choose which says it all!!!
Anyway I'll have a look at my records and see if I have any extra information. Cynthia, Andrew's mother has Greendslades in her family tree on her mother's side. Her mother was born Doreen Florence Tarr and her mother was Ellen Greenslade. There are quite a few Greenslades though.
James Stevens, Brendan's ancestor, came from Brompton Regis where he lived at Lyncombe Farm. The Buckingham's live there now but they are related since the farm passed to a son in law I think.
The reason we are researching the family tree is because my daughter has a rare kidney disease, FJHN, which is made much worse if there is any consanguinity anywhere. My husband's parents were related so this means that Alex is much more affected by the gene fault than I am. So we need to know who the boys are related to so that they don't have children with them. Apparently sixth cousins is considered all right so one has to go back a long way.
Plus we've had DNA tests to prove paternity so that in 30 years when people look at photos and the grandparents don't look all that much like their grandchildren we've got documents to prove they were the real grandparents. I'll either be dead or extremely old and I don't want the boys to have trouble. Colin was fine about it. He said that he's 68 now and is bound to be dead by then! Yes well that's life. He did the swabs with a grin. He's so much fun. Much easier than a blood test but I'm sure that he would have done that too.
Do you have children? When I had my first baby I realised why my parents did so much for me. They loved us unconditionally. I wasn't a difficult child, apparently I was very good (yuk) but it was wonderful to be loved so much.
Imagine having 8 children! 4 was enough for me.
Regards,
Annis.


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Re: Caleb Cotton STEVENS 1842 Winsford Somerset UK
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 24 September 24 19:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Annis
Do you remember corresponding with me in August 2013?
It was about Caleb Stevens (born 1842 in Exton or Winsford) and the connection between him and the How(e) family.
I still haven't solved the mystery of where he was between his baptism in 1843 and marriage in 1868. How can someone 'disappear' for 25 years?
I haven't done a lot of research for some time but Caleb still "niggles" at me from time to time.
I hope you & the family are well.
Best wishes
christyb