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diniver family
« on: Thursday 29 April 10 13:41 BST (UK) »
Can anyone give me any information on the Diniver ? family.
I know that Mary Diniver was born around 1840, and married Bernard Hughes
about 1865. I have the birth cert of their daughter Bridget [ born 1865] this is where I got Mary's maiden name from. It is a bit unclear on the cert but I think it is Diniver. I would be grateful for any info on this family, and particularly on who Mary's parents were. 
Clydebank/ Dunbartonshire, South Knapsdale/Argyll,
Moville, Clonmany, Derry.
Gallagher,McLaughlin,McCorkell,McLean,Hamilton.

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Re: diniver family
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 April 10 14:06 BST (UK) »
IGI lists a Bridget HUGHES born 23 Nov.1865 Cootehill district, Cavan (page 164 in civil register) daughter of Bernard HUGHES and Mary DENIVER.

Also Daniel HUGHES (born 18 Sept.1872 Co. Cavan), Catherine HUGHES (born 15 Oct.1876 Ireland), Patrick HUGHES (born 20 Jan.1869 Ireland), Mary HUGHES (born 10 May 1870 Ireland), Anne HUGHES (born 30 Aug.1867 Ireland) with same parents.

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Re: diniver family
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 April 10 10:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your help, especially in clarifying her surname.
Clydebank/ Dunbartonshire, South Knapsdale/Argyll,
Moville, Clonmany, Derry.
Gallagher,McLaughlin,McCorkell,McLean,Hamilton.

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Re: diniver family
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 February 12 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Tam I wonder would you be able to help? In your research into the Diniver family, have you come across a Daniel Diniver? We believe him to be the father of my maternal great grandmother. She married James Smith in Newry and had a family in Tullyvin throughout the 1870s and 80s. Her maiden name is listed on birth records as Diniver.

Thanks.

Michael
O'Dowd, Lawlor, Smith


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Re: diniver family
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 February 12 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello Michael,

Can't really add to the previous posts.  Except to say, I did come across the marriage of a
Bryan Hughes [ b1842 ] to Mary Deniver [b1842 ] in Cootehill on 17th Nov 1864.
[Tullyvin, by the way, is just outside  Cootehill].
The given name for Mary's father is Daniel. Could this be the one you are looking for ?
There has to be some connection between these people and the one's I was researching,
 and indeed, the one's you are, but I can't seem to find it.
 But given the unusual surname [Deniver / Diniver ] there is surely a link.

Regards,
Tam.
Clydebank/ Dunbartonshire, South Knapsdale/Argyll,
Moville, Clonmany, Derry.
Gallagher,McLaughlin,McCorkell,McLean,Hamilton.

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Re: diniver family
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 February 12 03:27 GMT (UK) »
There must be a link, particularly given the fact the surname is so uncommon, especially in Cavan. I've come across it most often in county Down.

The only Diniver/Denvir I could find in any records for Cavan was Daniel so that's why assumed he would be the connection to my great grandmother. He could still be, albeit not her father. Possibly an uncle, brother or cousin of her father?

Let me tell you what I know. In 1857 Daniel Diniver is listed as living in Ballynahaia, Drumgoon Parish (Griffiths Valuation, June 1857). In a Landed Estate record dated Nov-Dec 1859, a Daniel Denvir is listed, same location. In both he has 8 Acres, 1 Rod & 36 Perches.

Now for some family folklore. My maternal grandfather always said that his own maternal grandfather was French. The story was that his name was Denoir and he worked for the Coote family. After his daughter Mary was born, to a woman believed to be Mary McDonald, he died. Mary McDonald re-married a man called Brady, and the child took her step-father's name. So far so good...(take all of that with more than a pinch of salt; just hearsay, nothing proven!)

On the 4th of February, 1869, James Smith, a bachelor of full age, a labourer from Newry, and son of Hugh Smith, married in the Newry roman catholic church, by a Rev T McGivern, one Mary Brady, a spinster of full age, a labourer from Tullivin (sic), Cavan, and daughter of Patrick Brady. Witnesses present were Mary Brady & Michael McConnell (just to emphasise that's been transcribed as McC).

Now here's where it gets interesting. In the same land records from which I've quoted above there are Smiths and Brady (both common in Cavan) but also - in 1857, one Mary McDonnell (McD); and in 1859, one Mary McDonald (widow).

Confusing isn't it? You ain't heard nothing yet!  :)

Mary Smith, born Sept 14, 1871 to James Smith (flax scutcher), Lisagoon and Mary Smith (civil & church) formerly Denvir (civil) in Drumgoon parish (same parish as Daniel Diniver/Denvir).

Catherine Smith, born Aug 15, 1873 to James Smith (labourer), Drumnagran and Mary Brady (church)/Smith formerly Denvir (civil) in Kilsherdany parish.

Patrick Smith, born 1876 to James Smith (labourer), Drumnagran and Mary Denivor (church)/ Smith formerly Denipher (civil) in Kilsherdany parish.

Bridget Smith, born February, 1878 to James Smith (occupation unknown) and Mary Devine (church) in Kilsherdany parish.

Eugene Smith, born July 5, 1880 to James Smith (labourer) and Mary Denivor (church)/Smith formerly Brady (civil) in Kilsherdany parish.

James Joseph Smith (my grandfather) born July 3, 1882 to James Smith (scutcher) and Mary Brady (church)/ Smith formerly Dennifer (civil) in Kilsherdany parish.

Margaret Elizabeth born Nov 21, 1884 to James Smith (scutcher) and Mary Smith formerly Brady in Kilsherdany parish.

The six listed above, apart from my grand-father, are definitely his siblings therefore Devine for eg is quite obviously wrong. But the rest are variations on a theme: Denvir/Diniver.

All records and obtained transcripts have been checked and verified by me, except the marriage record from 1869 (can't verify if Michael is McConnell or McDonnell).

Confusing eh?  :o  ;D
O'Dowd, Lawlor, Smith

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Re: diniver family
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 February 12 13:05 GMT (UK) »
It is,but I'd say, given the unusual surname, and the time frame, your grandfather is more than likely the sibling of the other 6 you mention. Sorry I can't provide you with any more info, but if anything comes up I will let you know. Good luck.   
Clydebank/ Dunbartonshire, South Knapsdale/Argyll,
Moville, Clonmany, Derry.
Gallagher,McLaughlin,McCorkell,McLean,Hamilton.