How to put same sex marriage in tree - *COMPLETED*

[Redroger]

Ive just tried this on Legacy, the only way I could find to do it was to add the new husband/wife as sex unknown, then change marriage wording to spouse, make a note on notes that this person was a female, the date and a brief explantion why it shows as it does in tree. Then if you add children it shows as spouse on tree, and I guess you should be able to change the Father wording a similar way too.

If the LDS see this post no doubt they will try to find a way to stop this being done on their software as no doubt it is a mortal sin or equivalent in their faith. My way would be to record the 2 participants separately , and make extensive notes cross referencing them together, but I thing your scheme is much neater. Sorry I didn't think of it!

[meles]

I am still struggling to put my own Civil Partnership on my own tree! 

I use Family Tree Maker, and it's tricky. At least I have been able to make my OH a male, but it is recorded as a marriage, not as a Civil Partnership. So I have simple made a note in the narrative section, and wait for FTM to keep up to date with the times. 

Many gay men see the ceremony as a marriage (I am one of those that don't), which may confuse researchers in the future. But what the hay -  so many of my ancestors said they were married when they were not!

meles

[*sparkle*]

Just to take this thread off on another tangent... I am 99.9% sure my one of my relatives who died in the 1970s when in her 90s, and her best friend were partners. Definitely no marriage, but if they were partners I would love to record it. My evidence? Nothing really, but they worked together, lived next door to each other, reportedly had tea together every night. I have a photo of the two of them and the way they are touching shows their closeness. Neither married, and they stayed close to each other all of their lives. Well if that isn't a partnership what is?!?

But the subject was so taboo then, am I doing them a dis-service by recording the relationship? Am I risking upsetting the more conservative members of my family by recording this relationship?

Has anyone else come across this?
Tx

[*sparkle*]

I am still struggling to put my own Civil Partnership on my own tree! 

I use Family Tree Maker, and it's tricky. At least I have been able to make my OH a male, but it is recorded as a marriage, not as a Civil Partnership. So I have simple made a note in the narrative section, and wait for FTM to keep up to date with the times. 

Many gay men see the ceremony as a marriage (I am one of those that don't), which may confuse researchers in the future. But what the hay -  so many of my ancestors said they were married when they were not!

meles

I suppose I'm definitely one of the folk who get confused with civil partnerships vs marriage. I always assumed it was the same and have on many occasions said marriage rather than civil partnership....

As for ftm, and unusual or complicated relationships (My. G.G Granny in particular had 7 children by 5 different Men) I record it as 'spouse' but then define exactly the relationship in the notes column.

I suppose for a single sex partnership I would probably designate someone as male and someone as female but define the relationship in the notes section.

Same with someone who changes gender would you use their birth name/sex, or their real sex/name?

Yes I think ftm may have to alter slightly in the future...

Tx

[meles]

Golly, if FTM is not ready for same sex relationships, it's certainly not ready for transgender people! 

But the convention is to use people's names at birth. So I personally would use their sex at birth. And then make notes.

Not sure how TG people might feel about that - some say they were trapped in the wrong body and thus might think that they were always the other gender.

meles

[kiwihalfpint]

As for ftm, and unusual or complicated relationships (My. G.G Granny in particular had 7 children by 5 different Men) I record it as 'spouse' but then define exactly the relationship in the notes column.

FTM sure does remind us if we do something wrong, I have 2 girls who have illegitimate children, father unknown, yet their parents raised the grandchildren has their own children, sibilings to their mothers.   FTM kept telling me off for that.

Sparkle it is hard to prove in someways if someone is that way inclined.    We have that discussion about one of my cousins ..... do they have a pink handbag or not .... never been proved, but the mannerisms are there .....

[Redroger]

So far, I have only had illegitimacy (lots! no television or bingo!) and children born to mothers in their late 40s when there was an unmarried daughter in the house to deal with, but no doubt as I continue other things like this will appear.