Cleopas Watts from Quorndon

[Ebch]

My favourite hobby Gerry - I looked in the Leicester newspapers and there was a William Cramp, a parish constable and serving on juries and then there was a William Cramp constantly before the jury  All during the relevant timescale.

[GerryS]

Hi again Eileen,
I had just had a quick look through and the rogue/ convict William Cramp cannot be the same one married to Miriam. in 1849 there is an article in the Leicester Chronicle......'Wm Cramp was charged by Sarah Cramp his wife with assaulting her in Gravel street at his mother's house'.
William Cramp and Miriam Watts were married in 1846 and living (as you found) in Quorndon in 1851.
A cousin perhaps? Obviously very distant cos the Watts were such law abiding people
Gerard

[Ebch]

There were 3 other William Cramps Gerry but I can account for other William Cramps in 1861 and 1871 but cannot find William and Miriam in 1861/1871.  Seen a possible death mid 1860's for William but nothing for Miriam. Interestingly court appearances seemed to stop too.  
You might want to pull your hair out with this one:
Found a marriage for a John Newton Cramp marrie 1865 Leicester (any connection to Sarah Newton daughter in law of Cleopas ??  

[diddymiller]

ok thanks gerald - it helps to clarify where we are going next. can look for those this week some time.

Diddy

[Ebch]

Hello again
Is it possible to get more details of Pharoah's first marriage 1856 Jul/Sept?
He married possibly Rebecca Cox or Sarah Dadwell in Leicester.  It would be interesting to see who was given in that marriage as his father.

[GerryS]

And if possible  for Pharoah's third marriage to Eliza in July 1890 (Elizabeth Ann Harley or Eliza Higgingbottom) registered in Leicester Jul -Sep 1890, but I know from newspaper articles about his bankruptcy he was married in July. This might show if his father Cleophas was also mentioned.
Thanks
Gerard

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Again…Folks.

Re:~  Pharaoh’s 1st Wife’s Name Rebecca or Sarah.

Going on the following burial I would say......... Rebecca.

Welford Road Cemetery
Plot No’. C. G. 331.

G   331   C   WATTS   REBECCA   1859   NOV   17   Aged.29   
BURGESS STREET   ALL SAINTS   5567

G   331   C   Perkins   Mary Ann   1886   Mar   20   72   Palmerston Street   Saint Margaret   27200

G   331   C   Oldham   Annie   1893   Nov   18   44   Leicester Union House   Saint Mary   35814

G   331   C   Webster   Jasper   1898   Sep   9   39   Albion Street   Leicester   41755

G   331   F   Waite   Edward   1915   Jan   28   63   Sutton Coldfield   Leicester   55097

Abv’s :~

C. next to surname indicates. ……. Common plot ( Usually a Single interment )   

I can confirm Pharaoh did not marry at St: Margaret’s Church for either 1st or 3rd.
I’ll have to do some more searching about for these ..
But seeing the Ref No’s suspect both were Register Office Marriages

MIKE……..

[GerryS]

Hi Mike and everyone,
Thanks for the probable burial of Pharoah's first wife. This would seem to be the most likely, as searching FreeBMD for both Rebecca and Sarah Watts death (in the years before his remarriage in 1860), only Rebecca Watts comes with Leicester Oct - Dec 1859. This ties in with the burial.
It is interesting that following the deaths of both his first and second wives he remarried within the year. I suppose it was a case of necessity in those days, particularly when there was children.
Diddy, regarding the Loughborough lookups, would it be too much to look up a baptism of John Watts in Castle Donnington around about 1819. If there was no entry then (I'm hoping!!!) it would make it more likely that Cleophas was using the pseudonym of John.
Thanks again
Gerard

[diddymiller]

Gerard, i did look through The CD baptisms for 1813 - 1827ish and noted all Watts. the only 2 there that I haven't told you about are 2 from 'single women':

Louisa d/o Eliza Watts, single woman 26/10/1826

Israel s/o Sarah Watts single woman 14/5/1818

I made a note of these as the names Eliza, sarah and Israel (another Biblical connection!) caught my eye.

Diddy