Cleopas Watts from Quorndon

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s …….Eileen.

Sorry No trace of this Hannah….. also. ……

MIKE. …..

[GerryS]

Thanks again Mike and Eilleen,
So from the four possibilities, for the death of Cleophas' wife Hannah, 2 are ruled out - 16 Jan 1847 because it was an infant and 23 Feb 1844 because aged 72. So that leaves only Oct-Dec 1847 and Jan-Mar 1843 both Leicester Registry. Now the last record we have that Hannah is alive is in the Loughborough Petty Sessions of Feb 1842 where Cleophas is charged with assaulting his wife!!!
So either remaining death dates are strong possibilities. (My hunch, although I've been mostly wrong so far  ) is that the infant that died may have been Hannah's child. She could have been very poorly at the time, so the child was called Hannah and she (Hannah, the mother) died also and was registered Oct-Dec 1847.
Is it possible to check All Saints Parish church for the Baptimal record of little Hannah (1846 - 16 Jan 1847)? That could prove or disprove me very easily
Thanks again
Gerard

[GerryS]

Hi again,
I forgot to add on my last posting that we know that Cleophas was still in Quorndon in 1845 because of another assault appearance in Sept 1845 in Loughborough Petty sessions!!!! So it could be said that if Hannah had died in 1843 she would likely be registered in Loughborough District. At some stage before 1851 the family that is left can be found in 15 Baker St in Leicester (Pharoah and his grandparents). Between 1845 and 1851 the family left Quorndon to live in Leicester, and that's also why I think Hannah's death registered in 1847 in Leicester registry is more likely.
Thanks
Gerard

[GerryS]

Hi Rootschatters,
I thought those of you that have been following the saga of Cleophas and his son Pharaoh may be interested to see the black sheep that Pharaoh was (followed on very well from his father).
This is extracted from the Leicester Chronicle dated May 09 1891


 
Gerard

[diddymiller]

Hi gerard, wish i'd read posts before going to library this morning!! however i had an early start.

can confirm baptism of Cleophas s/o/ John & Ann Watts 13/8/1817   John FWK.

also Francis 13/12/1819

could not see Miriam or any other children.

I am going to have a good read through above as i need to clarify what we know /don't know in my mind!! I can look for deaths in L'boro. etc.

If you would like to list things you are now looking for that would be good.

Diddy 

[GerryS]

Thanks very much Diddy
Hope you did end up spending too much time looking and had some time for yourself!
I will post a bit later what is outstanding, and if you have time a look up would be great.
Thanks again
Gerard

[Ebch]

Hello Mike
Bearing in mind Hannah Watts' circumstances, would a burial in a pauper's grave be shown? (Forgive my ignorance 

Hello Gerry
You asked about Miriam Watts. In Dec 1846 she married William Cramp at Barrow upon Soar.
1851 Census shows them at Stoop Lane Quorndon
William Cramp b Burton on Wolds, Leics, Ag Lab
Miriam Cramp, 24, b Castle Donnington
Charles Cramp, 3, b Quorndon
No birth found on Anc** for Miriam. There were two William Cramps in the area at the time, one a parish constable and one a rogue 

[GerryS]

Hi Eileen,
Thanks very much for that, so it seems that Miriam was born in Castle Donnington.
My understanding of parish constables are that they were made up from people who has some standing in the community i.e. tradesman or farm owners, although from my reading of them some were illiterate. An agricultural labourer would not hold this position normally. So I'm thinking looking at our knowledge and standing of the Watts so far, is that Miriam's William Cramp would be more likely the rogue..... May I ask how why you think there are 2 different William Cramps in this area at that time?
Gerard

[GerryS]

Looking through what we already have (lots - thanks everybody, especially Mike, Diddy and Eileen, more than I ever expected), the following is unknown from the Loughborough area i.e. Quorndon or Castle Donnington...
Eliza Watts baptism in Donnington abt 1837 [she is my gg grandmother, Cleophas is my ggg grandfather]; parents Cleophas and Hannah
Hannah Cook bapt possibly in Quorndon abt 1821
Miriam Watts bapt in Donnington abt 1827

and wow that would seem all that I can see unknown at the moment in Loughborough
Thanks
Gerard