Cleopas Watts from Quorndon

[GerryS]

Hi Eileen,
Thanks so much for your postings and research
Certainly this is the same Pharaoh, his second wife Ann died in 1889 and he remarried Eliza in 1890. He became bankrupt in 1891 and in the 1891 census he was living in lodgings separated from Eliza. Also the article about Cleopas would fit, even though he seems to have been missing off the 1841 and 1851 census'. So it would seem Cleopas was alive in 1858! I would certainly like to have sight of these articles!
Thanks again
Gerard

[Ebch]

While you are chasing up that last bit I think I have found Cleopas in 1861.
Badly transcribed as:
Cleophenss Watts 40 unmarried  Lace maker 15 Baker St. St Margaret, Leicester. Born Castle Donnington
Sarah Newton,18, daughter in law, born Quendon, Leics
Emma Bonnett 36, housekeeper, born Barrow
James Middleman 20. boarder.
RG9/2291/F90
but no sign thereafter
 

PS Pharoah was at 15 Baker St address in 1851 - grandad died Cleopas came back and Pharoah moved out?

[GerryS]

Wow thanks EIleen, you are a star!
Yes that all fits. On A** even putting in Cleophens it could not find this entry in the 1861 census, only by putting in Emma Bonnett was I able to get it!
Certainly it is Cleopas, as his 'daughter in law' is from Quorndon, where the Watts are from. Although I'm not sure where his 'daughter-in-law' fits in yet?
Also Cleopas would have been quite a bit older than the 40 years he declared unless he married very young.
But it is interesting that Pharaoh followed in the same house! So it would seem that Pharaoh did not cut himself off from Cleopas totally.
So Cleopas was around in 1861!!!!! Using this information I will try to find him in 1841 and 1851, although I'm not sure how much luck I'll have in A**
Thanks again
Gerard

[diddymiller]

hi, the newish Quorn village museum is online and has some genealogical info incl census. certainly you can see the 1841 arranged by surname etc - pharoah  is there with family.

http://www.quornmuseum.com/index.php

Diddy

[Ebch]

To see if you can fit the Sarah Newton in :
1856 an Emma Watts married a Samuel Newton - Leicester.

Emma Bonnett - it's interesting that in 1851 she was (unmarried) with a John Watts widow age 40 Loom Hand worker living at 7 Wigston St St Margaret Leicester and in 1861 she was with Cleophas Watts at 15 Baker Street.

Wonder how Cleophas got his name - his parents seemed very conventional.  Could Cleophas have adopted it?

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Folks……

Details of the 1856 Marriage Emma watts ~ Samuel Newton.:~

St: Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.

Entry No.130,  September 22nd., 1856, after Banns
SAMUEL NEWTON, 21, Bachelor. Frame Work Knitter., of Dryden St,
Son. of SAMUEL NEWTON, Frame Work Knitter

EMMA WATTS, 20, Spinster. of Dryden St,
Daughter. of ROBERT WATTS,  …… Frame Work Knitter
Wits: Joseph Corah, Ann Newton.

MIKE………

[Ebch]

Hmm so it doesn't seem as if that is the Newton connection Mike. Sarah Newton daughter in law b Quorn appears to be the daughter of Rodha Newton, born Ireland. (1851/1861 census Leicester) and Rodha has another daughter born Newcastle.

[GerryS]

Hi Everyone,
Thanks everyone for all your wonderful information and research. But I'm wondering if Sarah Newton is the daughter in law of Cleopas Watts how could this be? The only way I figure that someone is your daughter in law is if she married your son, so then how could her name be Sarah Newton (surely she would be Sarah Watts)?? Or is this another mystery in the world of Cleopas and Pharoah.
And Eileen (thanks again) the further information that you sent about Emma Bonnett, sounds like it could be perhaps a key as to why Cleopas can not be found in 1851 or 1841. Perhaps he did take up the name John for a while. Certainly when he married in 1835 he was Cleopas, then seems to go missing until 1858. So maybe he was using an assumed name. I will certainly be looking into that.
Cleopas is rather an interesting name! It seems it is from the New Testament, one of the disciples of Luke. So I guess it is one of those more unusual biblical names that crop up. According to WIkipedia it is recognised in the Catholic Church on the 25th November so perhaps he was born on that day (I have yet to establish his birth or his death yet!!!).
And Diddy thanks for the Quorn web site, I will be having a good browse.
And a special thanks to Mike for all his good work with Leicestershire references.
Gerard

[GerryS]

Hi again,
Ok I know I'm a bit slow! But I think I figured how Cleopas could have a daughter-in-law Sarah Newton in 1861!
We know Cleopas married Hannah Cook in 1835 and went on to have Pharoah and Eliza. Now Hannah seems to be missing after 1841. So lets assume that Hannah dies sometime after and Cleopas marries a widow, or in anycase a woman that has had a child and her name is Newton. Yeah I know it was probably obvious.
So there must be a marriage for Cleopas Watts to a Newton.
Ahhh but I've just had another thought! Could Cleopas have married while Hannah was still alive and thus have taken the name of John Watts? And then when his second wife died, he reverted to Cleopas???  Or am I jumping ahead a bit!! But it sounds a good theory to me!
So possible a marriage of Cleopas or John Watts to a Newton??
Any other more likely ideas?
Thanks
Gerards