John Tucker born 1870

[lucytuck]

Shane,
I am not positive about Longford -- this is the information handed down through the years.  But what about the one that aghadowey  found -- born in 1871 and emigrated in 1885 and married in Newark to my Elizabeth Callahan in 1892. 

[shanew147]

the search I did on the civil index (website mentioned earlier) included a couple of year before and after 1870 so so the results are the same 

The three possible birth matches around 1870 are in Limerick (1867), Dublin  south (1873) and Clones (1873)

Some of these would seem to be discounted as your John - as they are listed in the IGI on  www.familysearch.org, and none of the birth records on this system have a father entered as Andrew.

The IGI is not  comprehensive, but the civil index is. So it could be that one of the other John Tucker's births listed could have a father named Andrew, but the only way to find out for certain is to order the certs from the GRO.

Is it possible that he used the name John but it was not his regsitered name ? for example he could have used a middle name in later life. Another possibility is that his first name was not known at the time of birth and it was registered as 'male Tucker'

I am not familiar with US records but could a later census or state record show a more detailed place of origin ?


Shane

[tootsiepie]

Here's Andrew marriage on IGI under TOHER. but it's a Suubmitted entry.  Sooo!!

Andrew Toher 
               
Marriages:
     Spouse:     Annie Casey    Family
     Marriage:     
12 SEP 1865      Granard, Longford, Ireland

[tootsiepie]

In the  Civil reg.index, the 'Toher' name above is reg. as TOWER.

And there's also 3 little Towers, in the IGI, extracted entries. One of which is a John 1869 (nov or dec I think)

Now I'm either way way out with this one, or spot on.   

See Irish Ancestors surname search on Tucker-Tougher-Toher etc.

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/index.htm

[tootsiepie]

One more-   Johns baptism appears to transcribed as TOGHER.

https://brsgenealogy.com/ifhf/login.php



So, IMHO  I think the Tohers Toghers and Towers are all Tuckers !! 


EDITED link-hopefully now correct

[lucytuck]

"Here's Andrew marriage on IGI under TOHER. but it's a Suubmitted entry.  Sooo!!

Andrew Toher 
               
Marriages:
     Spouse:     Annie Casey    Family
     Marriage:     
12 SEP 1865      Granard, Longford, Ireland "

Thank you so much; This sounds promising.  Does it also show John Tucker going to America?  He married in 1892 in Newark New Jersey.  Does it show if Andrew or Annie went to America?  What were the names of the other 2 children? Thank you....

[tootsiepie]

Go to the following IGI page, and just play about with various spellings- the results below show the only Tower births in Longford .  Also check the vaarious spellings on the Irish civil index, and on BRSgenealogy.

http://204.9.225.200./Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

If you copy and paste the whole link above,and put it in browser, rather than just clicking, it will take you straight to search page.

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[GAJM]

You could order the marriage cert on

www.groireland.ie

Give them this information

Marriage of Andrew Tower and Ann Casey (on the familysearch pilot site the spelling is Tower)
Granard Registration District
Date: 1865
Volume 13 Page 170

It is a good idea to include all this information as it makes their search alot easier.

There is not a specific field on the form for volume and page number but i usually write it in with the date.

You can use Granard Registration District, Longford as the address.

Also appears that Margaret Toher daughter of Andrew Toher and Ann Casey married Joseph Connaughton on 15-Apr-1910 in Longford source of information is the LDS site and Margaret died 15-Aug-1971. This information was submitted on the LDS website so subject to proof.

And this is them in 1911 Census

Margaret Toher 1911 Census

Also this Anne Toher in 1911 Census might be worth keeping in mind she is living in Killoe parish in 1911 which is just under 3 miles from Ballinalee.

Anne Toher 1911 Census

A James Connelly married a Lizzie Toher Apr-Jun 1902 Longford Registration District Volume 3 Pg 201.

Ger

[shanew147]

this looks like a very promising lead .. following these Toher/Tougher/Tucker and now possibly Tower, spelling variations. I've heard of surname being misheard on entry into to the US, but this case seems to have all the variation even before they left Ireland !



Shane