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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #189 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 17:54 BST (UK) »
Seems that the law is a complete ass.  "it is the responsibility of each local authority to determine whether any additional charges are to be levied."  That basically gives them carte blanche to charge whatever they damn well like!

No, the law isn't a complete ass, the law (in this case) is open to different interpretations as rehearsed previously.

Any civil servant, local government officer or, indeed, employee of a private company can and will only interpret the law with the aim of ensuring that the organisation they work for is operating legally. No civil servant or local government officer can state, definitively, whether or not another public body is acting legally. Even a law enforcement officer undertaking a prosecution of someone only states that he thinks the person/body is acting illegally.

The reason is that only the courts can rule definitely - and, even then, the rulings of lower courts can be appealed at higher courts.

The GRO has stated that local authorities must satisfy themselves as to whether they are acting legally and Salford Council has stated that it has done so.

It would be possible to use the Salford Council complaints procedure to have that stance examined but I should have thought it unlikely that the internal stages would result in it being overturned. A final appeal could then be lodged with the Local Government Ombudsman but the likelihood is that the LGO could not order Salford to change its mind even if the LGO found against the council.

The only other option, and the only one which can produce a definitive answer, is to take Salford Council to court.

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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #190 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 19:06 BST (UK) »
Of course you are right Graham, but this simple soul believes a law should be clear and unequivocal not open to 'interpretation'.

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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #191 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 19:26 BST (UK) »
Of course you are right Graham, but this simple soul believes a law should be clear and unequivocal not open to 'interpretation'.

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That's why there are barristers - plenty of money to be made  ;D

Of course it would be great if laws could be clear and unequivocal but, as with so many other things in life, what seems as clear as crystal at the specification stage can easily become as clear as mud when read by another.

As with software, it isn't until it is tested that ambiguities become apparent. Even with the committee etc. stages that bills go through, until somebody actually says "I think this sentence means such and such" that others realise it differs from what they thought.

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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #192 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 19:51 BST (UK) »
Aye, I'm often misunderstood myself  ;D
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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #193 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 21:19 BST (UK) »
Watching an Heirs Hunter prog today, Fraser and Fraser staff were thwarted in getting a certificate quickly (like they normally do) from Shropshire.  It seemed that you have to 'phone a call centre ::) who take the message, pass it on and the certificate is posted out whenever.  I know Fraser and Fraser had to pay more than they usually do to get the certificate by the next day.

As far as I'm concerned, if my ancestors died over 50 years ago or more, waiting a few days to receive the cert from GRO is fine by me.  I order on line and at the moment, perhaps because the price has gone up, I have been receiving certs within 3 days.

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« Reply #194 on: Tuesday 10 August 10 22:22 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #195 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 20:45 BST (UK) »
Graham suggested that the only way to change things at Salford would be to go down the complaints procedure with little chance of this changing things.  Well that is what I have done and the outcome is as Graham as stated.  I am contemplating the Ombudsman as we speak.

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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #196 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 20:57 BST (UK) »
I think I will do the same Rob.  First I will make for formal complaint to Salford as you have done then follow that up.

Probably on a hiding to nothing but I might as well see it through 'til the end.

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Re: Salford Council are having a laugh aren't they?
« Reply #197 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 20:59 BST (UK) »
Julia,

Yup that was my thought hence why I have just submitted this to the Ombudsman.

Rob
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