Pack Horse Routes Glossop to Holmfirth

[drodgers34]

Does anyone have any pointers to this subject. I have ancestors in Holme (Holmfirth) surname Howard but the surname is much more common in Glossop and I have a loose theory that they originated from here. There are other links to glossop and cheshire So I assume it was an earlier trade route.
Have seen references to pack horse route from the 1500s and references to textiles being sent to holmfirth for Dyeing.

The howards are already in Holme for PRs (early 1700s) and I have one other reference from early 1600.

Variants are Heward Haward heyward Hayward etc

[dennford]

I walked many of the old pack horse trails in my youth (I'm still in my youth); I guess that at one time they led from anywhere to everywhere, so it is almost a certainty that your route would be possible.

I reckon that you may find this site interesting http://family.jrank.org/pages/3139/packhorses.html
Also why not google stoops and guidestones Because many of these still exist whilst the associated roads have long since dissappeared.

                   Denn

[Mumsie2131]

I'm sure there would be a Pack Horse route from Glossop to Holme.  In to-days roads, there is a road over Holme Moss from the Woodhead Pass  to Holme and that coaches used the road because my gt grandfather had a Teetotal pub on the road and I have a photograph with a stagecoach outside. I know there is a road from Glossop to the Woodhead pass but at the moment I can't bring it to mind.  The main Howards of Glossop are the Duke of Norfolk's family - are you related ? The main Hotel in the Town Centre is the Norfolk Arms !!!
 My relations 'came the other way' - both from Holmfirth (Father's late 19th century) and Flockton (Mother's late 18th century)
Woodhead and Tintwistle were in Cheshire until Greater Manchester was founded so you may find some help at Tameside Archives.
Dot

[spendlove]

Hi,
There is an interesting and excellent book available:-
 
"Packmen, Carriers & Packhorse Roads"  Trade & Communications in North Derbyshire & South Yorkshire
by David Hey.  ISBN 1 84306 132 5 Published by Landmark Publishing Ltd.

Just checked and there are a number for sale on usedbooksearch.co.uk, or you could obtain from your
local library.

Spendlove

[drodgers34]

Thanks for that guys.

While I would like to think there is alink to the Duke of Norfolk Howards my theory is the migration of the Howard name occurred in the 1600s, and the aristocratic family did not reside in Glossop till after that time.

My theory is based on the prevalence of Howard in Glossop, and in Holme, but not elsewhere in Huddersfield. My theory is trade with glossop and district was more important than trade with other parts of Yorkshire.

I'd also be interested in any info on Agricurtural fairs.

[Deb D]

Not only "pack horse routes", but also green roads; Google "the old green roads", and there's a heap of interesting stuff to read; ... like this one, for example: -

http://family.jrank.org/pages/2386/drovers.html

[sougher]

There is also another excellent book on the roads and trackways of Derbyshire, it is called "Peakland Roads & Trackways" and was written by A. E. & E. M. Dodd, it was published by Landmark Publishing (now sadly gone into liquidation) in three editions the last one and most up to date being printed in 2000.   You should be able to refer to this book plus David Hey's book at your Local Studies Library.  If you are unable to do so I believe the Local Studies Library at Matlock has copies of these books, as that is where I consulted the Dodd's book many years ago.

In case you aren't aware there was also another HOWARD family in Derbyshire based at Ashford-in-the-Water who are my ancestors (I am descended from Jane Keeling nee Howard born Ashford 1804 died Ashford 1836), they date back to the 1600's at Ashford but the name was then spelt as HEAWARD, they appear to have been free lead miners and puritans (pp280-281 "The Politics of Social Conflict - The Peak District 1520-1770" by Andy Wood, published by Cambridge University Press 1999).   From memory I think that there are Heaward of Ashford documents at the Derbyshire Record Office at Matlock, Derbyshire but you would have to check.

Hope this helps.