ENGLAND pre-1800 CENSUS or birth info?

[J.J.]

an old one but if you are still online the HBC records are housed in Winnipeg...and he was in service for any length of time there are records of his work. His servants papers may reveal more about his date of birth and actual place of birth to be certain you are looking at the right person.
They also have mini bios of some servants, a son of John James is a sample here:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/s/smith_james1864-1871.pdf


ah, here is his file: so you had proper dates
SMITH, John James  b.1791- d.1850    Westminster, London   ENTERED SERVICE: 1808   1808 To Albany on Prince of Wales
children are named for both marriages...
http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/s/smith_john-james.pdf

This site says was first married to a "country wife" ( aboriginal woman, married out of the church in the ways of the country which can end at any time one chooses before the birth of a child, but for many it was self-extended beyond that restriction... )
Then married Nancy FAVEL Abt. 1834 in Red River District   
The site says He was born 1791 in Westminster, England, where he entered the service of the Hudson's Bay Company (in the position of School Master) and sailed to Canada from Gravesend Port, and died October 15, 1850 in St Andrew's Parish District, Red River Settlement (Manitoba).
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/METISGEN/2002-09/1031985610

this site says he was born 1798 & his parents were: William Hart Smith and Hannah Woodman but you'd have to check their sources as the wrong birth date puts their research off on a bad leg...... http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/m/i/Carol-Smith-24/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0608.html
They also name a brother for him...there is an HBC file of the same name, but it doesn't state on either biothat they were brothers...so interested where they found this information...as they seem to have hung their hats on any hook found...

[Jeuel]

Difficult to find a baptism as you don't know his father's name or where he was born.  His father might be Richard, but equally likely to have been John or James or John James!  There is one in Westminster in 1793 on Ancestry but that isnt a lot of use unless you have further info to confirm this.

[J.J.]

I looked at the kipling files for Nancy Favell, as it was the easiest choice, but just checked for john James and he is in there, so he did have a church wedding with his first wife 1825 St.John's Anglican Church, Winnipeg, Mb.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/001/098/001098-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=5398
The records are held at the Archives of the Diocese of Rupert's Land in Winnipeg.
I suppose it has been checked before but certainly would be worth a try to see if parents are named...
Of course none are named for her as she's been given a new "white" name "MARY"    and her real aboriginal name is likely lost to history...

His date of burial is also indexed 1850-10-17  St.Andrew's Anglican Church, Lockport, Manitoba
Odd that the later marriage would not be in there...