The missing Nocher family...I need some help finding them.

[birder]

Thanks again Mab....

The Mary Nocher you refer to is possibly Susan's cousin Mary, daughter of Daniel Nocher and Mary Ann Kelly

Jane is a new name to me, I look forward to following this up in the morning

Regards   

Rob

[Kris-Nocker]

Hi,

I've just started researching my family history and apparently it lies within the Nocher's. There's an old story that when 'we' arrived in Glasgow from Ireland our name was Nocher, writing skills weren't found as often as they are nowadays and when someone else (i.e. the record keeper) asked the surname and was told it was 'Nocher' it was written down as 'Nocker'. I'm tracing mine back (having started my arduous journey this week only) but what I can tell you is as far back as my own memory goes, as follows:

There's myself, Kris Nocker, born **, father **, mother ** My father has 2 brothers and a sister and is the youngest of the bunch. His brother ** (lets call him **) is the oldest and now lives in Germany, ** (now Brown) who I know is ** (putting her birthdate circa **) and **. They were from the Camlachie district in Glasgow but moved to Ayrshire when my father was a very young boy.

My Grandfather was also Edward (Edward 2) and was born in 1911/1912. He was married to Agnes Vallery who was also form Glasgow.

I'm piecing this together  slowly and the best thing for me to do would be write this stuff down the next time I speak to my Aunts and Uncles which, when finding out where I come from has been on a more conversational/informal way up till now.

As far as ** tells, her Grandfather was also called Edward (Edward 3) and she said that everyone (in they days) used to call their children after aunts/uncles which leads me to your interesting post. My Grandfather (Edward 2) had a sister who was Ellen (NB she never married) who I understand would have been born around 1906.

As I've been talking about this and some of my 'brief' findings I have been mentioning some of the names to my relatives and the likes of Peter's and Bridgit's. I have also mentioned the likes of Howitt and McGee and these seem to ring a bell with others as well as Flynn but I've not taken the time yet to piece these together. I have also been told that we are linked to 'Connor' before we came over from Ireland.

If any of this helps then I'd love to help you find out more about us and would love to hear if you know of any crossover and/or knowledge of further back in time, however I have heard that there are a few Nocker/Nocher's in Glasgow area.

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[forthefamily]

Hello Kris,

Welcome to Rootschat

I think you and I may be on the same track.

Hugh Nocher married to Ellen (or Helen) McGee

......had a son Edward born 1876 who married a Kate (Catherine) Howitt in 1904.
                                                                       (Kate's parents were William Howitt and Margaret Calder).

......Edward and Kate had a daughter Ellen who was born in 1905. They may have had a son Edward but I haven't been able to determine that....on Scotland's people there is an Edward Nocher born 1911 (Camlachie) and an Edward Nocker born 1912 (Camlachie). As it's not my family I haven't sent away for the certs to find out.

mab

[Kris-Nocker]

Hi,

By the looks of it you have been following this back quite far!

I just spoke to my Aunt Valerie tonight and she gave me this information about the Nocker's, bearing in mind this is all about Edward's brothers and sisters and Edward was born 11th December 1912. Edward had a big family and was the youngest of his brothers and sisters.

Edward is my direct grandfather and had four children, **

Edward's brothers are Peter, Thomas, William, Hugh and Alexander; his sisters are Ellen (born 14th February 1906) who we knew as Nena, Mary who was known as Meme, and Jeanie.

Mary had four children **. Interestingly I found out that ** is named after her Grandmother and her full name is **- I think we have your link! Ellen never married and had no children. Jeanie had two daughters **- not much more is known about her.

His brother Thomas went to California then came back and lived in Torquay before coming back to Glasgow. He married Abigail and they lived in Old Kilpatrick (out west of Glasgow). They had two children **, I actually remember going to young Abigail's house but I would have been very young at the time.

William also went to California and Torquay but he stayed in Torquay. He married Ellen and they had two children called **.

I am informed, sadly, that Peter died at a very young age.

Hugh got married to Annie McCulloch and they had two children called **. My Aunt thinks that they are still around in Glasgow but would be well in to their 70's now.

Finally, Alexander. Alexander went to South Africa never to return, not even for a visit! ** remembers him and thinks that she would have been 6 or 7 years old so this might put his departure at the early-mid 1950's. Alexander married Catherine and they had four daughters though we can only remember 2 of them, **.

My dad (**) also says that he remember's Ellen (b1906) having a nameplate on her door which read Noher or Nocher - I find it weird that somewhere along the line one of us changed it from Nocher to Nocker. ** said that we initially thought it was a 'apelling mistake' as I indicated on my first post and apparently my dad remembers his father mentioning the 'Connor' link but can't remember where or why.

I would love to hear if you have info on Edward/Hugh etc and further back or any other relatives they may have.

I would love to hear any 'tree' that you have which goes further back that Edward and Hugh.

Kris

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[forthefamily]

Kris

I have sent you a PM.

mab

[birder]

Hi Kris,
            If you are descended from Hugh Nocher and Helen McGee then we share some common ancestors.
Hugh's parents were Edward Nocher and Margaret Mcwilliams who were married in 1850 in Bellaghy Roman Catholic Church in Ballyscullion, County Londonderry.

Looking at some of the christian names mentioned in your previous post, particularly Thomas and William, I am wondering if you are not descended from another Nocher clan that were living in the Glasgow area at this time. The names Thomas and William were prominent in these families throughout the generations but to date I have been unable to make a link between that family and ours

Rob

[aeolus0-2]

My great grandmother was Esther Nocher born 1844 in Paisley,her father was John Nocher born abt 1809 in Ireland and mother Margaret Nocher born 1816 in Ireland and died 1884 in Abbey Poorhouse in Paisley.
Magarets father was William Nocher and mother Isabella Nocher nee Johnston no dates given.

[Chris5856]

Ive found a headstone with the following Nocher's at Cadder Cemetery, Bishopbriggs.

Two stones. The first
AGNES   ORYNAN   **/12/1906      30
WILLIAM   NOCHER   **/03/1945      87
THOMAS   NOCHER   **/09/1915      19
WILLIAM   NOCHER   27/02/1981      78
MARGARET BROWN   COLVILLE   23/12/1971      82

The second
WILLIAM ORYNAN    NOCHER   05/04/1994      74
MARGARET HENDERSON   DONNELLY   24/01/1985      63

If any are relatives, pm me and ill send you the headstone pics. Chris