Louisa LISHMUND

[trish1120]

Looks good to me Cat

[CatOne]

Cant find the family in 1851 though, ancestry playing up, no one in Devon at all according to them!! Guess the Devon census is down at the minute 

[Wred]

How about this from the 1851 census

15 Eldad Place, Plymouth

Eliza Frederick H  wid 33  born Stonehouse
Martha  "       dau         4           London
Edward   "      son       11          Chatham, Kent

[Muggins]

 
I'm flabbergasted! You guys are amazing - super sleuths! You keep digging away and coming up with more pieces to the puzzle!
I had no idea there were so many people who love researching these things.
Thank you all so much (tazzie, trish, garstonite, CatOne, Wred, and Kbotts)! So let me see if I've followed this convoluted tale...

Louisa Lishmund (mother of my great grandmother Mabel) was born Louisa Santillo (her parents were Peter Santillo and Eliza Frederick), but Eliza was married before (and had a couple of children from that marriage), so Frederick was not her maiden name??
(So Kbotts - Frederick really was Mabel's younger brother!)

Thanks again - next time I'm in the UK I will buy you all a pint!

Muggins

[trish1120]

Hi Muggins,
You'll have to come to Sydney too

[trish1120]

LUTLEY;

1881 Census
1 Plym Street,
Plymouth Charles the Martyr,Devon
RG11/2193/20/39

William L LUKEY, 47, Head, Mar, Warehouseman/Storeman, born Wivilscombe, Somerset
Jane, 44, Wife, mar, born Wivilscombe
THOMAS, 19, Son, Unm, Gardener, born Bristol
William, 18, Son, Unm, Butcher, born Taunton
Mary, 16, Daug, Unm, general servant, born Tavistock, devon
Fanny, 15, Daug, Unm, born Bickleigh, Devon
Jane, 14, Daug, Unm, born Bickleigh
John, 11, Son, Scholar, born Bickleigh
Edith, 9, Daug, Scholar, born Bickleigh# ( see birth entry below)
Robert, 8, Son, Scholar, born Bickleigh
Fred, 6, Son, Scholar, born Bickleigh
Frank, 5, Son, Scholar, born Tamerton Foliott

1871 Census ( under SUTLEY)
Shilstone,
Bickleigh, Devon
RG10/2110/74/14

William L LUTLEY, 42, Farmer of 35 Acres employing 1 man and 1 boy, born Wivilscombe, Somerset
Jane, 56, born Wivilscombe
TOM, 9,  born Wivilscombe
William, 7, Wivilscombe
Mary, 6, born Tavistock, Devon
Fanny, 5, born Tavistock
Jane, 4, born Bickleigh
John, 1, born Bickleigh
Ann LOWDEN, 17, Servant, Domestic servant, born Bickleigh

William and Janes ages are way out from 1881 Census but children match
How did he go from a Farmer to Warehouseman?


1891 Census ( under LATHEY)
3 Devonshire St,
Charles, Devon
RG12/1727/31/55

William L LUTLEY, 38 (58), Head, Widower,  Labourer, born Wivilscombe
Edith P, 18, Daug, Unm, Dressmaker, Bickleigh
Robert, 17, Son, Unm, General lab, born Bickleigh
Fred, 16, Son, Unm, Labourer, born Bickleigh
Frank 15,, Son, Unm, Rrrand boy, born Lamerton, Devon
George EVELY, 198, (19), Boarder, Lab, born Cornwall
John, 17, Boarder, Labourer,born Cornwall
Mary A, 15, Boarder,born Cornwall

Image is age 58 for William

Death;
Jane LUTLEY, June 1883, Plymouth, 5b 167, Age 43
( so born c 1840)


Possible 1861;
1861 Census
Hartswell,
Wivilscombe, Somerset
RG

John LUTLEY, 42, Head, Unm, Farmer of 137 Acres employing 4 men/2 boys, born Wivilscombe
Mary Lutley, 66, Mother, widow, born Cutcumbe
Mary Pugsley Lutley, 35. Sister, Unm, born Wivilscombe
WILLIAM Lutley, 28, brother, Unm, Farmer, born Wivilscombe
+ 1 servant

Marriage;
William Lutley LUTLEY, September 1864, Plymouth, 5b 495
On the same page, Jane WEBBER

EXTRA confirmation;
Edith Lutleys birth Reg;
Edith Pugsley LUTLEY, Sept 1872, Plymton St Mary, 5b 213

[trish1120]

1841 Census ( under LEUTLEY)
The Parsonage,
Wivilscombe,Somerset
HO107/950/9/Wivilscombe

Eleazor LUTLEY, 85, Independant
John, 50, Farmer
Mary, 45
John, 20
Henry, 15
Mary,15
Thomas, 13
WILLIAM, 9
Robert, 20, Surveyors Apprentice
All born in County
+ 3 Servants

1851 Census ( under SUTLEY)
Parsonage House,
Wivilscombe
HO107/1921/54/15

John lLUTLEY, 62,Head, Mar, Farmer 1234 Acres employing 4 men/4 boys, born Wivilscombe
Mary, 57, Wife, Mar, Farmers wife, born Cutcombe
Mary P, 24,Daug, Unm, Farmers daughter, born Wivilscombe
WILLIAM L, 18, Son, Unm, Farmers son, born Wivilscombe
Harriett WEBBER, 19, Servant, born Clakworthy Somerset
( oh I wonder if Harriett is Janes sister)


Back later,
Trish

[Muggins]

Thanks Trish!
Very helpful indeed!

I must practise accessing all these censuses - they're an amazing source!


(OK - I could come to Sydney and buy you a pint... or ... we could meet in Devon!)

Muggins

[barryreid]

hi louisa
my name is barry reid,
i am related to the lutley family,
i have information on the lutley family,
of bickliegh wiveliscombe tamerton,
is it possible if we can talk on the telephone sometime
reply if its ok.