Louisa LISHMUND

[Muggins]

Hi everyone!

I'm relatively new to RootsChat, and, among a couple of other names, I'm looking for the maiden name of Louisa "Lishmund" b. 1854 in Devonport. She was married to a Charles Lishmund, a house carpenter. I found them in the 1881 census, living at 25A James St., Stoke Damerel, Plymouth with their two children - Lilly and Jessie, (later that year my great-great grandmother Mabel Lishmund was born into their family). I think they may have had one or two more children after that as well.

Thanks!

Muggins

[tazzie]

  May have married a bit later than you may think ...

  1885 Stoke Damerel

 Charles Lishmund
 Louisa Rowe   5b  page 602.

  Tazzie

[Wred]

The best place to find the mothers maiden name is from Mabel birth cert which looks like it was registered in the September quarter 1882 at Stoke Dameral. From the Free BMD site 5b 317 are the numbers you need to send for a copy from the General Register Office

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/Familyhistoryandresearch/Researchingfamilyhistory/index.htm

Charles might have been widowed and remarried before Mabel's birth and you might end up looking for a completely different family. In my own research I had an ancestor remarry between census and it was years later before I discovered the second marriage because he  married 2 Harriets.

Although this is an unusual name there looks like more than one family of this name in Plymouth at this time which needs to be careful about.

[garstonite]

you need to be very careful as Wred says...there is a Charles H Lishmund born 1880 aged 7 mnths in
14 James Street in the 1881 census....I at first thought it was another child you had missed....
his father John Lishmund and Charles Lishmund are both carpenters ..and born 2 years apart...so probably brothers.....allan

[Muggins]

Thanks Tazzie, Wred and....Garstonite(?)

I know there was quite a little pocket of Lishmunds in Devonport at the time - possibly at least three brothers (carpenters and such) and perhaps their father (John, b. 1808). Was it common for a couple to marry after having several children? I have no idea. But I'm pretty sure I have the right family of Lishmunds, because I have Mabel's marriage certificate (she married John George Buckney Horne), in which is listed her birthdate and the names of her parents - Charles and Louisa. Also, her sister Jessie Lishmund is listed as one of the witnesses.
Thanks Wred - I will take your advice and send for the certificate.

Muggins

[garstonite]

Hiya Muggins.........up until the 1970`s you could not even APPLY for a divorce until you had been married for 3 years....once you applied it could take a couple of years to go to court.........so maybe Charles or Louisa had been married before.....and also there was a stigma attatched to "divorce" in those days..it was frowned upon, so they have said they were married for the census returns because it was classed as " living in sin "............allan

[Muggins]

Thanks Allan/Garstonite -

I will keep digging.... I was just doing a google search on "Lishmund" when I came across a young man (born 1890) who enlistd in the Australian Commonwealth Military Force in 1916, at age 26 and was stationed in Adelaide, South Australia (regimental # 2635), and on his enlistment form he lists his mother as "Louisa Lishmund, 51 Tracey Street, Plymouth, England".
It seems possible this could be the same Louisa and that Clifford was a later child, though it seems odd to me  that her son would end up in Australia! However, given that Plymouth is/was such a major port, I suppose there were many comings and goings of all kinds.
BTW I'm thrilled to find this site and so many interested, helpful people!

Muggins
(don't know yet how to add the little tag line everyone seems to have, but I'm researching 4 names in Plymouth -  Lishmund, Lutley, Horne and Buckney!

[tazzie]

   Another google lists him as Frederick Clifford Lishmund and buried in West Terrace  AIF in Adelaide. Frederick is with them in 1891 b @1890.
 Did you know Charles & Louisa travelled to America?


  Tazzie

[Muggins]

Hi tazzie -

Why, thanks!
Do you mean Frederick Clifford is listed as one of Louisa's children in the 1891 census?
Could you please tell me how to access these censuses? Being somewhat of a newbie, I've so far only used the Familysearch site, which only seems to have the British 1881 census. These other censuses are so useful and obviously can help confirm what was previously just a 'hunch'!

Muggins