Johanna Turpin - birth / census

[jennifer c]

I am sitting here going around in circles, but I may have had a break through.

1911 census 79 Adamson Road had a Knightley family with Hilliard stepchildren. Going back on marriages of Charlotte Knightley she mar Harry Knightley as a widow , her mariage to Hilliard she was a spinster named Billing.

THere is a Horace Turpin marrying a Rebecca Charlotte Billing in Tottenham in 1887.

I have not worked out the connection yet.

Jennifer

[tressle]

Well here is Horace Turpin 1891,  Piece 175 Folio 119 Page 27

Horace, Compositor born Islington, aged 32
Rebecca C, born Islington aged 22
Florence, 2
Horace 10 months.

1901

Same family with an addition of a Frederick and a Walter children

The same family are still in Edmonton on a later census.

Tressle

[CaroleW]

So no connection to Johanna b c 1891

IF - Johanna was the mother of the Richard O Turpin b April 1911 - she should be on the 1911 census

I'm sending you a pm as I can't post this info on the board - possible living person

[jennifer c]

Thank you Carole, if I ever find this lot it will be a miracle.

Jennifer

[CaroleW]

I'll second that!! 

[jennifer c]

Hi I am back on the trail of Johanna,

I have now bought a birth certificate of a Richard Owen Turpin  born 19/9/1896 address 7 Smith Street Canning Town
parents Owen Turpin & Mary Ann formerly Hall. Owen is a Dock labourer. I know this boy died soon after he was born, so I do not think there is any reason to buy the death certificate.

I am guessing the father Owen to be an uncle of Johanna?

I have traced his marriage to a Mary Ann Prett 1896 Aug.9th St.James the Less, as she is given as a widow and her father is Daniel Hall deceased. Address 71 White Street for both. His father is given as Richard Turpin - Grocer. The witnesses were George White & Sarah Coffey. Gaie said there were 'White' visitors in 1891 cenus at Rivett Street, I can not find it on the 1891??

I have traced a Richard Turpin - grocer in 1871 in Pettits Lane Romford Essex with sons Owen 11 & a Richard 17. Could the son Richard be my Johanna's father? Owen & Richard have place of birth London!!!



Have found Richard Snr. in 1881 in Mile End on his own born Brecon.
 Owen is 1881 born 1860 Peckham with his brother Caleb born Romford  1864 in Bromley by Bow and Owen  is in West Ham in 1891 born Peckham Rye.

Still does not help me find Johanna or her father Richard Owen Turpin.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Jennifer

[jennifer c]

Forgot to say:

Adress for the death cert is 7 Smith Street Robert Spicer who Johanna married in 1911 lived at 5 Smith Street.
I have found their witness at there marriage a George John Perkins at no.2 Smith Street Canning Town 1911 census.

What am I missing??

Jennifer

[CaroleW]

The 1891 has an Owen Turpin b Peckham Rye about 1861 - single and in lodgings in West Ham with a family called Shingley occ gen labourer

RG12 Piece 1327 Folio 84 Page 29

Marriages St James The Great Bethnal Green 9.8.1896 - both gave their address as 71 White St

Owen Turpin bachelor 34 father Richard occ grocer
Mary Ann Prett 33 nee Hall a widow father Daniel Hall deceased

Witnesses George White and Sarah Coffey 

[jennifer c]

Right, Sarah Coffey was Mary Ann Hall's sister.
Now how do I find George White?

How do I find RG12/1319 18-24 7 Rivett Street ?

Jennifer