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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 08:23 BST (UK) »
In that case would they really have supported her in the case of an illegitimate pregnancy being hypothetically Henry David?

Probably not. So unlikely she is the mother.
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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 08:35 BST (UK) »
I have never really thought she would have been his mother .  There is no record of a birth to her unmarried.  When her father died, quite wealthy he left her a whole 20 pounds

She married Alfred Shoebridge  1.1.1855 and had their first child may 1856

But thanks Sue
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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #65 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 08:40 BST (UK) »
I agree.
I only mention it because it was a line of thought earlier in the thread.
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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 08:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Jenn,

No help with this boy I am afraid. I thought I may have been onto something when I believed I located his parents travelling to London at about the time of his birth (although listed as EASALL) but alas they return without a child. Unfortunately there are only the newspaper accounts of these arrivals and departures.

EASALL Mr and Mrs departed Adelaide for London 23 Feb 1854 aboard the IRIS. (Register)

EDSALL Henry and Wife arrived Adelaide from London 4 Jan 1856 aboard the WALVISCH Departed London 15 Oct (Register and Adelaide Times) All other passengers listed the no. of children.

EDSALL Mr, Mrs and Child departed Adelaide for London via Cape of Good Hope 5 Nov 1866 aboard The CITY OF ADELAIDE (Register) Also listed in Advertiser as Mr, Mrs and Son.

EDSALL Mr, Mrs and Master arrived Adelaide 27 Oct 1868 from London aboard the SOUTH AUSTRALIAN (Register) The passenger signed a letter of thanks to David BRUCE Esq, Commander of the Ship. These names included Henry EDSALL and Sarah EDSALL.

To be listed as Master I would expect him to be not much older than 13 which fits with the known boy.

Cheers Kris  :)

Is it possible the child was on the ship WALVISCH in 1856 when they returned to Adelaide?
But under a different name ?
With a relative.....?
Wish there was a full manifest to browse.

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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #67 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 10:45 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has several records for (Henry) David under South Australia, Australia, Destitute Asylum Ledgers and Admissions to Industrial and Reformatory Schools, 1849-1913.

Davy HOWELS

The admission 22 April 1857 aged 2 states mother in asylum, recently confined.  Father in the country, recent arrival. Placed with father Mr HOWERS.  A later addition states mother dead, father deserted him.  Returned 25 Aug 1858.

David HOWEL or HOWERS

13 Jun 1859, father deserted mother dead.  Placed with Mr EDSALL, Parade, Norwood. 

Comment in 1861 - Well clad and apparently in good health, Mr Edsall is bringing him up as his own. 
Comment in 1864 - The boy being adopted by Mr Edsall and treated in every way as his own, it is not necessary furthur to trouble him with calls.  27.9.67  Mrs Edsall gone to England.

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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 11:02 BST (UK) »
Davy HOWELS

The admission 22 April 1857 aged 2 states mother in asylum, recently confined

Possible birth?

Name    Mary HOWELL
Birth Date    19 Apr 1857
Birth Place    Adelaide
Father    William HOWELL
Mother    Margaret
Page number    17
Volume Number 11

Also related?  Deaths of Mrs HOWELL and Mary HOWELL in May 1857.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159516793/howell
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159516791/mary-howell

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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 11:15 BST (UK) »
Bingo, I think.

William, Margaret and David HOWELLS arrived from Glamorgan on the Monsoon 17 March 1857.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8Y-X36X-S

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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 07 August 24 11:16 BST (UK) »
Oh wow  I am moved to tears here.  After all this time.   
What a lovely bit of Sleuthing Debra
To learn he was indeed adopted by Henry Edsall who would have been in
 his 50s.   Can but hope he was treated well.  He died early 1900s in Perth.  His death certificate  said born in Wales but no parents listed.

I am very happy to find where he came from.  I know now I won't get any DNA matches to his family.   

Thanks most kindly Jenn
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SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
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Re: Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 08 August 24 04:02 BST (UK) »
Oh wow! - Debra to the rescue, great find.

So lovely to see a long-time mystery solved.

Hi Jen - good to "see' you again!

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