Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes

[tropicalj]

Hi Jenn,

That's fine, I knew you were looking for HDHE's birth 

I was just searching for him & came across Henry North's baptism records from a church & wondered if you had them or not 

Understood Merlin, yes I do have those records thanks for looking

Jenn

[judb]

I hesitate to put this up as it looks likely to be a giant red herring with only the most tenuous possiblity and I can find no way of taking it any further anyway.

On Free BMD the only male I can find born in Wales, with any kind of names which have anything to do with your chap and at the appropriate time is:
Dec qr 1855
David HOWES, reg Merthyr Tydfil, Vol 11a, page 285

Looking for this family on the census I can only see them in 1861 at 24 Lamb Lane, Merthyr Tydfil
Mary Ann Howes 34 Mar? Flannel dealer b Newport (there is a mark across the Mar column so may be Unm)
William Howes 8 b Carmarthen
David Howes 6 b Merthyr
Mary Watkins 14 servant b Dowlais

Looking as far as 1885 on FreeBMD I cannot find deaths for any of them in S Wales nor a remarriage for the mother - nor even a marriage in the first place.  Obviously there are many reasons which mean that they are not able to be found in later censuses.  The only other HOWES I could see a mention of on FreeBMD is the death in 1860 of a John Harvey HOWES reg Swansea.

I told you it was very unlikely but I wondered if this Welsh chap emigrated and then was adopted by HNE and took the Henry and EDSALL names, keeping his own as well??? 

Is shipping into SA available on line?

Judith (ducking for cover with this fantastical tale!)

[tropicalj]

No Jud do not duck for cover as I have done this very same thing and found this family, but I have a feeling I did find them again in a later census perhaps a misspelling on the name

Will look at it though to see what is what,

Incidently Henry DH named his children

Lily May
William North
Arthur Robert
Florence Emily
Edward John
Ruby Alice

now his "sister" Maron Agness Edsall who married Arthur James   inserting correct names ALfred George Shoebridge
named her children
Alfred North
StellaWatts
Arthur James
Florence Agnes
Albert


so  the North was continued down but I do not know where the North came from HNE  mothers name was Maria Stokes, but his bother Charles got Stokes as a middle name.

Also Sarah Edsall nee Watts the second Mrs HNE  sister Ann/Annie Smith names one of her sons North Edsall Randall Smith (the Randall being the Watt's sister mothers maiden name)

oh these family names they do help us establish links that is for sure.

thanks for your input Jenn

[majm]

fingers crossed

Sth Australian shipping online

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundForSouthAustralia.htm
where I read "The SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGISTER newspaper sent a special reporter to each ship arriving in South Australia, to list the passengers on board that ship from the PASSENGER LIST held by the Captain. The reporter's list was published in the next publication of the newspaper.
We understand that microfilms of the SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGISTER Newspapers are held in State Libraries across Australia. "
also http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.htm where there's links to other Sth Aust websites

Cheers,  JM

Is shipping into SA available on line? Judith (ducking for cover with this fantastical tale!)
JM adds Tis a   WONDERFUL FANTASTICAL TALE  and JENN, you have helped so many RChatters, its our turn to try to help you 

[tropicalj]

Thanks JM for your kind words,

I am sorry to sound like a broken record, I have those links in my favourites.  In fact  thats where I got my shipping record for Pop Shoebridge's father's arrival into SA and Marion Agnes Edsall's arrival from Tasmania into SA, 

 BUT I do appreciate all your efforts in  helping me here

WE'RE BOUND FOR SOUTH AUSTRALIA! presented by DIANE CUMMINGS
Isn't that a wonderfull link, one I use that  regulary unfortunatly it is up to 1851 at this stage on that link.



Charles Stokes Edsall was an immigration agent and account in Cornwall and was "responsible" for any number of emmigrants who came to Australia.

Could he have sent a young Welsh lad out to his brother Henry in SA ?

Jenn

[majm]

My fingers crossed for finding an RChatter who has access to the newspaper "The South Australian Register" or better still for the National Library of Australia to include that paper in their digitising project  but in the meanwhile :

You don't sound like a broken record to me Jenn, and you have helped so many RChatters 

Twas Judith was asking for the Sth Australian shipping, and so perhaps between several of us we can each spend some spare minutes looking through different years on the ship's list site  its up to 1860 especially if Jenn knows any ships names that Charles Stokes Edsall had emigrants board.    We just need to co-ordinate and share the task. 

Which ones would you like me to start with as I'm .  I've spare minutes this afternoon and early evening, and willing to help.     

Cheers,  JM

[tropicalj]

I have HNE death certificate and the information was Henry D H Edsall , son
died 29/8/1879

His Death Notice
said

Edsall Henry North
on the 28th August at his residence Chapel Street, Norwood, aged 78 years a colonist of 36 years.  "his end was peace"

Jenn

[majm]

Re Henry North E

I don't know much about Sth Aust early settlements etc, but did HNE apply for grant/purchase land etc ?  I ask this because on NSW records for my forebears, I have found applications for grants of land etc and included in these applications, the applicant had to state the name of the ship that they arrived in the colony, of course that helped me with my g g g grandfather John Brown (1788-1865) who I had sorted long before joining RChat ! 

Cheers,  JM

[tropicalj]

I have an awfull lot of information for HNE from  the Norwood council,  I contacted them and  they sent me all they had on him cause he subdivided his land etc they filled me in on where he lived over the period of time but had no record of his arrival into the colony.


quoting from the part  letter for interest sake

"The Edsall family name is perpetuated through the subdivion created by HNE in south west Norwood which includes its central feature Edsall Street running between Elizabeth Street and Sydenham Road"

The letter also mentions his son Henry Edsall Junior as an irononger... but the very nice lady at the council could find no birth or any record prior to the marriage of HDHE to Eliza Pincombe for HDHE

I appreciate your help JM but my objective is find the birth details for Henry David Howes/Howers Edsall.


thanks Jenn