Help what to try next please for EDSALL Henry David Howes

[tropicalj]

Hello  all
 I just received the death certificate for Henry David Howes Edsall who died in Western Australia in 1909 , place of birth is listed as Wales. 

Unfortunately no parents names are shown.....but his marriage details and his childrens details are all present and correct.

He married in South Australia in 1878  and had his father as Henry north Edsall.   Henry N had married his seconded wife Sarah Watts in 1847 in South Australia and no children are  found born to this couple. 

When one of our RCERS went to the Perth cemetery where he is buried she obtained  the burial details from the cemetery which stated he was born in Wales.  As two of his children were born in NSW I got one of their birth certificates and it stated born in Wales.

Henry North Edsall's (died in 1878)  will  left his monies to his wife and twenty pounds to his Daughter Marion Agnes Shoebridge  but  the son was not mentioned at all, which is odd  to me.  The will was written 13/4/1858


I cannot find a birth in Wales that remotely comes close.

My assumption is he was an adopted son???
Your thoughts and help would be appreciated.

thanks Jenn

PS  I do have all the relevant BDM information

[down-under]

Hello Edsall is an unusual name.


1903 Electoral Rolls Fremantle Sub District Beaconsfield



736 Henry David Edsall South terrace Fremantle Comercial Travellor
737 William North Edsall South Terrace Ironomger
738 Arthur Robert Edsall South terrace Grocer



1906 Fremantle

Same three and same address



Pam

[tropicalj]

Thanks for that yes I do have that bit of information Henry is listed with two of his sons.

thanks Jenn

[sparrett]

Hi Jenn,
Just a couple of idle thoughts.

Does the date of death of HENRY DAVID HOWES EDSALL give him a birthdate falling after the marriage of his father HENRY NORTH to the first wife?

Do the given names of DAVID & HOWES crop up anywhere else in the family?

We do know so well don't we that people often truly believe they were born one place and it was in fact another.
I do hope he can be tracked

Sue

[tropicalj]

No Sue his first wife Mary Ann Brindle died before he and his daughter Marion/ Mary Ann Edsall went to Tasmania 1836C.

Yes it is true about birthplace being confused in peoples minds. 

thanks Jenn

[majm]

Hi Jenn,

On a submitted tree (80 names, member activity within last six months), there's a Henry David Howers EDSALL, born 1855 South Australia, marriage 7 August 1876 to Eliza Jane PINCOMBE at Residence of H N Edsall, Kent Town, South Australia, Australia and his death 28 Jan 1909 at Perth WA.  One child noted, Edward John Edsall born 2 Dec 1886, Adelaide. 

That tree owner has Henry North EDSALL for the father, with birth place of Salisbury in 1829.

1925 Electoral Roll Edward John EDSALL a clerk, at 41 Union St Subiaco 

Hope that helps, there's eight mentions for surname Edsall on that tree

Cheers, JM ...
"idle thoughts" prompt, Ta Sue     several of my NSW born 19thC forebears, when I ordered their 20th C NSW death transcripts show born Wales, but after re-contacting agent  these were amended to read "N S Wales"   .. Transcript agents needed to have Reg Gen re digi their records   .. would have liked to be fly on the wall  at that staff training session  
 

[tropicalj]

That tree owner has Henry North EDSALL for the father, with birth place of Salisbury in 1829.

Yes I have seen that particular tree and it is unfounded
Henry North Edsall was born 1802 in Breage Cornwall.


Henry David Howes ( Howers) Edsall did marry Eliza Jane Pincombe.

I do have all this information to hand but am really puzzled as to where and when and the circumstances of his birth

thanks Jenn

[majm]

I'll keep looking then 

[tropicalj]

thanks for you input anyway

incidently  that particular tree has Henry North Edsall's brother Samuel Mullins Edsall as his father !!!!!!!

Jenn