John Mathias, Slebech born?

[waderg]

Hello "Oriel"

Thanks for the offer, I looked at the wills already, though perhaps having a family tree in front of me while doing it might have its advantages!

1. do you think "Mr Rogers" might be the "Mr Rodgers"who occupied "the shop" after Martha Llewellyn died? Don't suppose he was related. If Martha only died in 1829, presumably his residence would not have been 'the shop' in 1828?
2. In what was probably my original post, I gave the following marriage:
Husband: Joseph Mathias
Born: 09 Sep 1743 in: Cartlett
Married: 21 Aug 1769 in: St. David's Cathedral
Died: 25 Feb 1806 in: Cartlett
Father: Joseph Mathias
Mother: Margarett Ball
Wife: Mary Williams
Born: 04 Feb 1747 in: Llanvirn, St. David's
Died: 18 Oct 1829 in: Cartlett, Haverfordwest

Child Nr 5 of the above: Thomas Joshua Mathias
Born: 22 Apr 1779 in: Cartlett, Haverfordwest
Died: 29 Dec 1812 in: killed in an engagement

Is the unfortunate whose death on HMS Java Pat Barker reported: any ideas about how to find a list of HMS Java's crew at the time would be gratefully received!

Not entirely sure about this, but Kathryn was aware that the registers show Thomas as marrying Mary Harries, but the family bible apparently showed Mary Williams.
This was transcribed by Joseph Fawke in 1916, but the bible itself subsequently 'went missing'.
I gave the full transcription in a previous posting & mentioned that DyFed FHS showed the spouse as Mary Harries. As Mary was apparently Joseph Fawke's grandmother, perhaps he might be trusted to have known her maiden name?

3. Think the marriage details above show that Joseph can't have been the son of Thomas & Latitia.
There was a wealthy unrelated Mathias family in Cartlett at the time...the name Latitia suggests (to me) they came from this branch!

4. Yes, looks like this "Mary Williams" is the one marrying Thomas Mathias as shown in 2, above.
5. Yes, looks like this is Mary Williams' husband.
6. Yes, once again, looks like Martha Llewellyn is Joseph Fawke's "Aunt Patty"!

[Orielbenfro]

I would make the following observations
1. There are no birth records pre 1837, on some very rare occasions the d of b was added to a baptism entry. Cartlett was never a parish. At the time of your interest it was in the parish of Uzmanston. Although today it would be considered part of Haverfordwest. Even at the time of your interest Haverfordwest St Mary would be far easier to reach for religious ceremonies that the trek by foot or horse out to Uzmanston church.
2. Uzmanston P,.R.’s start circ 1720 so it is possible that Joseph was baptised there.
3. There is absolutely no reference to the mrge of a Joseph Mathias to Margaret Ball at St David’s Cathedral, so where ever the mrge took place it was not there.  St David’s mrge registers begin in 1724. The only reference to the mrge of a Joseph Mathias at St David’s is in 1769 when he mrd Mary Harries. Lets see what the entry tells us.
4. HMS Java muster rolls will be located at TNA. I note there are currently 3 references to the ship in the online catalogue of the TNA.
5. I can only non-scientifically establish what appears to be one Mathias family in Cartlett, Uzmanston in the mid 18th, so if your Joseph was of Cartlett when he was baptized at what ever location, then IMHO he is of the Mathias Cartlett family, I will see if I can find his baptism entry.
6. I find it interesting that there are is the odd widely spaced in years entry for the Ball surname in H’west area, indicating that there is no long standing family residing continuously in the town or surrounds. This appears to be confirmed by Thomas Ball the Potter of H’west who has free and leasehold property and family in Stafford Staffordshire.

Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a snruame

[waderg]

I think I got a strong impression there was also a wealthy family by the name of Mathias living in the area while looking at the wills.

Uzmaston or Uzmanston?

I think Kathy had it that Joseph Mathias married Margaret Ball in Slebech.
Afraid I've never been to the area, so can't say if that could be understood to be St David's.

I think Margaret Ball was referred to (by Joseph Fawkes?) as 'a Lancashire lass'; whether there was any good reason for her to be in Wales at this time I don't know...perhaps millinery is an occupation the two locations have in common?

Found the entries about HMS Java in the TNA catalogue, but no mention of individual crew members.
I think the battle agains USS Constittuion took place 30 miles off Bahia, Brazil & afterwards the British captives were set off somewhere. Don't know yet if Thomas Mathias was killed outright or died of his wounds.

[Orielbenfro]

I have jpegs of the 1828 LTA of Uzmanston (Cartlett) and the mrge of Joseph Mathias 1769 at St David's for your interest, if you can let me have an email address by PM.

Joseph mrd 1769 was of Cartlett, therefore

St David's Baptism Register 1745 to 1752
06 June 1751 Mary to William and Elizabeth William baptised

Uzmanston Baptism Register 1743 to 1759
28 July 1765 to Thomas Llewhelin a labourer a daughter by the name of Mary.
07 June 1742 to Joseph Mathias a daughter by the name of Susan
20 Feb 1743/4 to Joseph Mathias a son by the name of Joseph
04 June 1745 to Joseph Mathias a son by the name of Daniel

Somehow I appear to have overlooked the burial of Martha Llewellyn 1844, so will add to my next to do list.

Today has convinced me even more there is only one Mathias family at Cartlett


Rgds
Orielbenfro
Oriel a welsh window on a surname

[waderg]

Until Pat comes back with more details, found confirmation that a 'supernumerary clerk', Thomas Joseph Mathias, was killed on HMS Java (albeit the middle name is wrong: perhaps this was recorded as Jos. & interpreted by some as Joshua and others Joseph?).

From P133 of this book describing the whole encounter:
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Vol_VI/P_126.html