William Dudley White

[Kaybron]

I am trying to find a death for William Dudley White.  He married Eliza Fanny Garbutt 25 October 1890 in Brighton. On their marriage certificate William is aged 45 years, a widower.  His profession is Bootmaker (Master) and his father is given as William White (deceased) Farm Bailiff.

Eliza Fanny Garbutt was previously married to Alfred Henry Garbutt who died in 1889.  Alfred and Eliza had 3 children Alfred Henry William (1883-1915) Mary Louise (1886) and Elizabeth Jane (1888-1909).

Eliza Fanny had one child with William Dudley White, Eliza Fanny White whose birth was registered in the September quarter of 1891.

In the 1891 Census for Brighton (RG12/803 Page 20) Eliza Fanny White is listed as a widow and has 3 children Alfred Garbutt (aged 8 years)  Mary Garbutt (aged 5 years) and Elizabeth Garbutt (aged 3 years). As the 1891 Census lists Eliza as a widow I am assuming that William Dudley White has died sometime between their marriage in October 1890 and when the census was taken in 1891.  I am struggling to find a death for William Dudley White who fits the criteria given on his marriage certificate.

Any help in finding William's possible death would be greatly appreciated.

Kaybron

[tressle]

It looks as if his birth is actually registered in 1842 (Northampton) and his first marriage looks to be in Northampton in 1864.  So perhaps he was slightly older than given on his marriage certificate.

Still looking

Tressle

ADDING - I am just going to put the full 1891 ref in case any one needs it
RG number RG12 Piece 803 Folio 13 Page 20     

[Kaybron]

Thank you Tressle.  I have looked at the marriage of William Dudley White in 1864 in Northampton.

In the 1871 through to 1901 Census there is a William White born in Middlesex/London with a wife Elizabeth from Northampton.  William's birth year is given as 1841/2 and Elizabeth's is given as 1845.  From 1871 through to 1901 the couple are living in Brighton and William's occupation is given as Shoemaker/Bootmaker.  In the later Census data they do have children living with them.  This could possibly be the William Dudley White who married in Northampton in 1864 although the spouses surname is a Mary or Selina.

If this is the William Dudley White who married Eliza Fanny Garbutt he definately was not a widower in 1890.

Kaybron

[Kaybron]

Have also just noticed that the witnesses to the marriage of William Dudley White and Eliza Fanny Garbutt are Clara and William Holliday.   William and Eliza were living at 33 Lavender Street, Brighton at the time of their marriage.

Clara and William are listed on the same page as Eliza in the 1891 Census, living a few doors down the road.
 
Kaybron

[tressle]

Hi Kaybron

Did you see the birth and death of William Dudley White, Steyning Registration District, born 1895 died 1898.  I wonder who he belonged to.

Perhaps William Dudley White wasn't free to re-marry and that is why Eliza Fanny is suddenly a 'Widow' and there is no sign of his death.

Tressle

[tressle]

I thought this chap in 1871 might be a possible

St Mary Nottingham.

William White   29 Bootmaker - Master,  born Weston Favell, Northamptonshire.
Mary White   45 born Northamptonshire, Digley?

But I have got no where following him.

Tressle

[Kaybron]

Hi Tressle,

Thank you for your interest.  Yes I did see the entry for a birth and death in the Steyning District.  I did wonder if this was a child of Eliza and William.  I first thought perhaps there was a mistake with the entry but this seems to be a long shot.  I might send away and get a copy of the birth certificate to see who parents are listed as.  A copy of one of the birth certificates of William White and Elizabeth White's children might also be interesting.

In both the 1901 and 1911 Census Eliza Fanny has retained the surname White and also gives marital status as a widow.  She married a third time in 1919.  Third husband was a 72 year old Widower, James Albert Angel.

Will have a look for at the William White, Weston Favell, Northamptonshire.

I have found a William White born in 1844 in the 1861 Census born Brighton Sussex living with Brother-in-law Robert Langdon.  A brother to William is also listed and both are shoemakers.  This William is still in Brighton in the 1871 Census and it looks as if his occupation is Bootmaker.  Brother-in-law Robert Langdon is still living near-by.  I then have lost this William in further Census years.

Regards Kaybron

[Kaybron]

Update and further questions on William Dudley White and marriage to Eliza Fanny Garbutt on 25 October, 1890.

I sent away for a birth certificate for Eliza Fanny White, daughter of William Dudley and Eliza Fanny.  Eliza Fanny White was born on 18 July 1891 and the certificate names father as William Dudley White, Shoemaker/Journeyman.  The surname and maiden name of mother is Eliza Fanny White, late Garbutt formerly Hammond.  In the 1891 census, which was taken on the night of 5th April, Eliza Fanny White states she is a widow.   

If daughter Eliza Fanny was born after her father died should her birth record state her father was deceased? 

[tressle]

Hi

The certificate probably should say that but if Eliza didn't volunteer the information it wouldn't have been recorded.

If he was a journeyman his death could have happened anywhere so perhaps he was only registered as William White which would be difficult to pin down.

He is an elusive chap.

Tressle