Help! extra child in 1881 Haslingden

[alunno-a]

Hello all,

I have just turned my attentions to my Mum's side of my tree, and have come thoroughly un-stuck at the first hurdle! I just don't understand Lancashire, and the differant names for places as they developed over the 19th century. So, I am examining closely the census returns where I am sure I have my great grandparents George and Bets(e)y Ormerod in Haslingden. But in 1881 there is an "extra" child in the house-- there  is George, wife Betsy b Wolverhampton, ( nee Horton) their  child William Henry Ormerod, George's Mother Hannah, who I think is nee Pilkington, and a Thomas Wm aged 3, grandson of Hannah, but I can't find who he is! He is not George's son, and as far as I can tell not the child of Hannah's only other child Maria, who married a Richard Nutall. Has anyone any ideas? I don't know where to start...

RG11  p4139  f63

Haslingden Touch and Take ( where is this?)

George Ormerod              hd          31      wheelwright    b Haslingden
Betsy      ,,                       wife        27                              b Wolverhampton
William Hy                        son           1                              b Haslingden
Hannah Ormerod             wid         58                              b Hareholme   But should be New church, is that Rawtenstall?)
Thomas Wm Ormerod      grandson  3                              b Manchester

Any help at all would be great- as there are so many Ormerods in this area I am loosing my senses!!!!

Thank-you,

Sally

[CaroleW]

Births September qtr 1877   
 
Thomas William Nuttall    Manchester  8d 322

[heywood]

Hello Sally,

this looks like Richard in 1891

1891 RG12; Piece: 3367; Folio 68; Page

a widower living Habergham Eaves- his son is William aged 13 yrs born Manchester which fits Carole's find.

best wishes
heywood

[alunno-a]

Oh Fantastic- thank-you both so much!!!! mystery solved perhaps, daft of me to assume he was an Ormerod.
Thank-you again.
Sally

[humbug]

Hi

Touch and Take??

At first thought I thought it would be Hud Rake (I live locally).

I checked the census for you and the area you are concerned with just prior and just after is Sykeside and Bent Gate - this would make Hud Rake too far out I would of thought.

At this time I cannot shed much light on this, but if you like I will delve further.

[alunno-a]

Hi,
Well I thought it said "Touch and Take"! I shall do some more on this later today, and get back. But, Sykeside is interesting, as, marriage cert for George Ormerod has just arrived yesterday, and his place of residence is "Syke Side".this is my problem with the area, the names change so much, and I am not local!
Thank-you for your help, it is much appreciated.
Sally

[humbug]

Hi

It certainly does like Touch and Take, but I have never heard of that, but I live very close to Sykeside and Bent Gate.

Our local Tesco store (Haslingden) is on the former site of Sykeside Mill, and there is a hotel just opposite called Sykeside House - this is where William Roache (Coronation Street) once lived - it was converted after he sold the property.

There is a pub further down called the Woolpack - which was also listed on your census - a couple of pages after the Ormerod's - this is in the Bent Gate area.

I too am mystified by Touch and Take - I will see what I can find out

Amanda

PS I have located some old photos of the area - they arn't mine so I need to ask permission to post

[josephinemary]

Hope someone solves this mystery as I too am fascinated to find out where Touch and Take is.
Josie.

[humbug]

Almost solved - just waiting for permission, but it seems there was an area called Touch and Take - near to the Road End junction which was very close to Sykeside Mill

I have had a fascinating morning looking around and about!

Watch this space