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Offline Erato

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 09 April 10 15:02 BST (UK) »
No known criminals except a pair repeatedly charged with blasphemy, drunkenness and general disorderly conduct  in the 1600s.  One very scandalous divorce and one probable case of extremely scandalous adultery and illegitimate birth.  A few premature births.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 09 April 10 15:04 BST (UK) »
I have a case of adultery and to add insult to injury the woman who was being cheated on was dying. Family members have said this and it has been verified in my research.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 09 April 10 15:12 BST (UK) »
I also have a bent police man, If you call being drunk on duty being bent. He was first demoted and disciplined 3 times and then asked to resign to avoid being fired!! I even have his police records, they are really funny!!
Norfolk - Riches, Harvey, Mudd
Devon - Grant
Cambridge - Missen
Carmarthenshire/Cardiganshire, Wales - Jones
Somerset/Surrey - Perry

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 09 April 10 15:21 BST (UK) »
Well - there was someone in the family household in the 20th century who was a mystery - were they adopted? illegitimate? I spent a bit of time and money trying to find out more - the only person who could have told me more wouldn't talk.

I stopped digging when someone else let slip, on the family grapevine, that said person may have been imprisoned for a serious offence.

It is possible to put the lid back onto Pandora's box.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)


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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 09 April 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
People did often go to lengths to cover up an illegitimate birth.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 09 April 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
My late mother had a bit of a Hyacinth Bucket side to her, and she would have been Utterly Mortified at some of the things we've uncovered about her forebears  :D poor Mum, she would have been so busy trying to twist it all round.  I can hear her now:

"It can't have been them, it must have been somebody else.  It's not an unusual name, after all."

"Well, I expect he was going to pay the man for the horse."

"Of course it couldn't have been syphilis - those doctors wouldn't have known much back then."

"They weren't tinkers!  They had their Own Business."

And so on.  Her brother, on the other hand, would have relished every last squalid discovery.  It's such a shame they are both gone, it would have been so hilarious seeing him winding her up.  I do think though that Mum would have thoroughly enjoyed other aspects of the hunt, and she would particularly have appreciated the "respectable" branch, especially the ones that were in the workhouse .... as Masters and Matrons!  ;D
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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 09 April 10 19:00 BST (UK) »
mainly the usual premature births! I know that some of the generation which has just died out would be horrified, but I don't think any of us still alive are too upset. (We've had several recent very premature births, whom we love very dearly!)

A few things told to me in confidence, which I haven't written up, as they're fairly recent. Maybe my kids, in 30 years time will say ..."well, I bet Mam would have been interested to know THAT!" (she did!)

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Begg - Dublin, Limerick, Cardiff
Brady - Dublin
Breslin - Wexford, Dublin
Byrne - Wicklow
O'Hara - Wexford, Kingstown
McLoghlin - Roscommon
Lawlor - Meath, Dublin
Lynam - Meath and Renovo, Pennsylvania
Everard - Meath
Fagan - Dublin
Meyler/Myler - Wicklow
Gray - Derry, Waterford
Kavanagh - Limerick

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 09 April 10 19:13 BST (UK) »
As my grandmother used to say "the first child [in a marriage] comes anytime but the others take nine months."  ;D
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Have you opened a Pandora's box?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 09 April 10 19:35 BST (UK) »
That is just a saying as in reality it probably did take 9 months. They estimate a 3rd of all brides in Victorian times were pregnant when they married although how accurate that is I do not know.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain