Henry Hunter Birmingham

[heywood]

At the moment, and I am not sure why, I am inclined to think that Henry the Gunstocker is perhaps Henry the hairdresser 

I feel sure that there must be someway of sorting them - the birth certificates and marriage certificates would hopefully help.

When Roz comes back, she wil be able to help... fingers crossed.

[jim1]

I'm inclined to agree,the only thing putting me off is that this Henry was living with Samuel in 1851 which indicates both parents were dead but there may be another reason why.
We need Roz to get back with the birth/marriages.

jim

[heywood]

... 'cos he needed to work and his dad had just died ... I know what you mean- it's all so difficult 

[heywood]

...and he didn't really want to be a hairdresser ... he wanted to make Guns

(reminds me of my grandsons- last week at the Royal Armouries ... I have to say it was boys' heaven!)

[jim1]

B'ham was famous for gunmaking.Made some of the best guns in the world & B'ham had the 1st. proofing house where all guns were tested & then proof marked.Up to then it was more dangerous being on the back end.It's still there today.

jim

[rozmarsh]

Hi all, Gosh.. Now I am totally confused.. I have only just read all your replies.. thank you all so much for all your searching...  You of course could be right about the wrong birth certificate of Henry??? but as the other one was a hairdresser I went for this one, I was a little short on cash at the time I did this research ( about 15 years ago) so tried to be careful how many certs. I brought, maybe a bad idea, I have not scanned in a lot of the certs. But looking again at 1839  birth of Henry, address 2 court, little charles street. Elizabeth formally Brooks, occp. Working Chipmist?? . cert. from St Pauls, Birmingham, Actual birth 5th June, 1839.  I also notice that the IGI states Elizabeth Brooks christened 20 Nov, 1803 at Morton Bagot, warwick, this would put her at the right age for Elizabeth, but no marriage found?? I also found an marriage for a Henry Hunter to Elizabeth Shaw 1829 Saint Philips, Birmigham.....  I have a death cert. of Henry Hunter, which I feel is the right one as they where living in Aston Manor and my grandparents lived there as well. He died May 1909 at 69 which has his age right, occp. formally a mechanical engineer which is also right as they landed up with a smelting factory.. not sure if I have that right!! but  Douglas my grandfather had a aluminium foundry. Maybe it is all one family? and they got them all christned together. There is so much info now, I need to sit down and try and work all the dates etc. out.. And I thought I was confused before! I will try and scan in the other certs I have. Josiah  Cert. says born 9th Feb, 1850  11 court, Little charles street, Birmingham, Father Henry, Mother Elizabeth, formally Brookes  Father Occp. Porter,  St Pauls, Birmingham X marks the spot for Elizabeth , mother 11 court, Little charles street. Maybe he died???
I do have a parish print  out for 1836 of daughter Eliza Born 11th Aug 1836 Parents Henry and Elizabeth, abode Smith Street, Trade Dipper & Lacguerer? so maybe this is the other Henry. The other ones I have are all Little charles street. Stoipping for breakfast now!

[rozmarsh]

HI all, I have now scanned in the certs I do have. Firstly, the 1881 in the name of HUNT if definatley correct and I do have some of their certs but I know it's the right family, Douglas my grandfather born in 1883 after census. So the Gun maker is correct! Then the confusion still continues about which one is the right Henry . On Henry death certificate it says he was a mechanical engineer but would you go from a porter to a mechanical engineer??. The other death certificate I have of Henry born 1792 died 1855 says he was a fireman, is this the father of Henry!!
What I did think.. Henry born 1792 married Elizabeth??? children : Eliza 1837 I but a long wait??) he would be 45??? , then HENRY 1840, Mary 1844, Sarah 1846, Josiah 1850. Henry then married Helen Paulucci 1864 which I also know is correct...  It's the two Henrys I still cannot work out !! Could he have one wife and one lover?? both Elizabeth?? but being a porter no money!!
Still no record of marriage to Elizabeth Brooks which is stated on all the birth certs I have, but only the marriage to Elizabeth Shaw 1829
So I am so sorry, this is still totally confusing... I cannot see a simple solution to this.. apart from getting more birth certificates
Once again I do thank you all for your help, this has been driving me mad for some time!! I am not sure how many certs. I can send at one time??
I am beginning to think the 1861 census you have for Henry being a gun smith must the right Henry and I was looking at the wrong one..  Need to try and find them on the 1851 census , I will go back to it again and look for mis spelt names.. On the 1861 census does it say place of birth??? I did try to scan in the certs. but it was coming up with an error??

[rozmarsh]

After going through all your notes and suggestions. I am beginning to think I was going after the wrong Henry Hunter, although still no proof either way, but it does seem more likely the 1861 census with the gun maker must be the right one. I cannot find them on the 1851 cd census I have. That is why I presumed it must be the porter...  Also one of Henry and Helen's daughters was called Gerturde Cordelia so there is a cordelia link, small I know.. but the more info you have brought forward makes me think it must be that Hunter with Selina etc.. Not the Josiah family as I had thought, mainly due to the census records.. I will now have to re think the whole thing and begin again with certificates! But, I would like to know if anyone does have place of birth etc for the 1861 census?? Please, that would be very helpful. My sincere apologies if I have sent you all going around in circles.. myself included! Still no scottish link as yet!! many thanks, Roz

[heywood]

Good morning Roz,
what a confusion - you are right!
In all cases, the birth place is Birmingham from 1851 onwards.

At the moment it does look as though 1861 - all is well with the family and Henry.
That makes Henry, according to 1861, the brother of Cordelia and Selina and son of Elizabeth- their mother. That is why, I think that Cordelia's birth certificate would really be of use and I thought you said that you had that one. (Perhaps that is Gertrude Cordelia's you have?)

As you say- no Scottish link- but there are Scottish names- Douglas and Graham etc so maybe that's where the family belief comes from.

Lastly, and I don't know how to correct this if necessary, but I don't think we are allowed to post full copies of certificates- just the relevant bits e.g. the occupation box etc so if you are posting future ones, you would be better just doing that bit.

best wishes
Kath