Perplexed by Phoebe...

[Quinlyn]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for that information.  The date and age are right and so is the location, so we will look into it further.  Phoebe's daughter was living with her grandparents in County Durham, so it would seem strange that she would die so far away from her family, but then again she could have been on holiday or visiting relatives.

It was very good of you to contact me.

She has been really difficult to locate and we currently still looking, although this could be her.  What has made it even more difficult is that the spelling of her surname has altered so much ie. Hovvels, (and the double v then being mistaken for a w).

Thanks again for that Kevin.  We will look into that.  I will keep you informed of our progress.

Kind regards,
Michael

[Quinlyn]

Hi,

I have recently (just last week) discovered some new information on Phoebe.  Seemingly, at her daughter Mary Jane's baptism in Monkwearmouth in April 1842, the father was registered as Matt'w Stamp.  This is obviously the reason Mary Jane is called Stamp on the 1851 census.  So now I have a name for the father.  Later in 1845, Phoebe and Matthew are at another daughter's baptism; she is called Jemima.  Matthew is recorded as being a blacksmith.  The reason that it was difficult to find is the fact that Phoebe's surname is written as Horvells.  I cannot find a marriage between Phoebe and Matthew, but I wonder if they emigrated (as previously mentioned).  Is it possible to find out passengers' names that went to different countries (Australia, America, Canada etc) from the baptism of Jemima in 1845 or from 1841 when Phoebe last had a mention (as far as we know) on the British census?

Thanks so much for all of your help so far.

Kind regards,
Michael

[chuckgaish]

Hi I have just started on the Hovvels, Phebe Hovvels Burns is the Grandaughter of Henry Hovvels and Phebe Powell, she is the daughter of Ann Hovvels born c1813 Phebe Hovvels Burns can be found in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1851.
I have image of marriage entry for Henry and Phebe and Baptism image for Phebe Hovvels Burns and hope to get more. I have been hunting for Ann Hovvels baptism but no trace she is shown born Newcastle but perhaps they went straight back to Suffolk and had Ann there then returned to Southwick Sunderland for 1841/51 Henry is with Ann in 1861 but shown born Newcastle, but that's just an error I guess.  Dong more on this and will use the information you have to try and help piece all together, all Henry and Phebe's children seem to mostly have settled in County Durham.
Chuck Gaish
ps have Ann Hovvels marrige image to John Burns in Gateshead Fell as well.

[Quinlyn]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for the message.  Ann Hovells/Hovvels is a new one on me, as the first child that I had found (until now) was Mary (born in Belton in 1816).  She was followed by Margaret b: 1817, George H. b: 1819, Phoebe b: 1821, Jane Bonnyman b: 1823, Archibald Robinson b: 1825, Jemima b: 1826 (she died in 1826), Jemima b: 1829, Robert b: 1831 and Benjamin b: 1834.  I have some of their christening dates if they would be of any interest to you.

I have had a search for Ann, but have found nothing.  She may have had another first name and Ann was her second name, which they may have used.  I have to admit that the Hovells part of my family tree has been the hardest part of the puzzle to crack.  A great part of the difficulty is the spelling variations of Hovells - on one record it was down as Hoodels!  The father of the above children (and your Ann) was Henry Hovells, as you know, but I have his burial date: 22 June 1862 in the Southwick area, which you may not have known.

Their mother, also called Phoebe, had died before him.

I hope that this has been of some help and should I find anymore information I will let you know.

Kind regards and best wishes with your research...
Michael

[chuckgaish]

Hi Michael, I have all my information on them on my tree at Tribal Pages it can be viewed here
http://gaishfamilytree.tribalpages.com

Regards Chuck

[Quinlyn]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for sharing that link to your family tree with me.  You really have done a great deal of work and I am very impressed...  Not sure if I can fill in any more detail for you at all, but if I can be of any further help please let me know.

Kind regards,
Michael

[chuckgaish]

Hi Michael, those that are guests on my Tribal Tree get Monthy Updates if you would like to receive one just send a request via the link on the tree home page but I will try and remember to let you know through here.
Regards Chuck

[chuckgaish]

Hi not sure how long this entry has been on but Henry Hovels or Hovles or Hovvels etc was born in belton Suffolk and returned with each child for their baptism. My tree is on Ancestry with the family on think this will take you there.
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/74682/person/-166105422

Phoebe Hovells Burns was the daughter of Ann