Perplexed by Phoebe...

[angelfish58]

.  Do you think that if I paid for the information that they may have any information about her death? 

No, they had no burial or marriage for Phoebe jnr, just the 1841 census. If you click on Parish Records on the left side of the page you will see what dates, records and Parishes are covered.

I wonder if it might be worth phoning Tyne & Wear Archives who may have suggestions of records that could be searched, Phoebe may have named Mary's father in the Parish Overseers records for instance.That probably won't help to find her but it fleshes things out.

 

[Quinlyn]

Thanks for that suggestion Barbara, I will ask Jennifer if she has the details for Tyne and Wear Archives.

I have meant to ask you, the last few times that I have posted, what you think the significance of Phoebe jnr's daughter being called 'Mary Jane Stamp' on the 1851 census is, when she is living with her grandparents?  I have done searches for a marriage between a Phoebe Hovells and and a man called 'Stamp', but with no luck.  Are we missing something?

Thanks again,
Michael

[angelfish58]

It may be that her father's name was Stamp, I have a number of illegitimate ancestors and they nearly all use both their mothers surname and their father/stepfathers name. (I did notice a coincidence though, there's a death for Henry Hovells JunQ1849 Sunderland 24 page 223 and on the same page there's a death for a Robert Stamp.)

Just a thought, does Phoebe appear as a marriage witness or death informant to any family members after 1841?

[Quinlyn]

Hi,

As far as I am aware, I don't think she appears as a witness on any marriage or death certificates.  She certainly isn't a witness at her daughter's wedding, as we checked that information yesterday.  I will look into the 'Stamp' thing a bit more and see if I can find anything.  I am going to wear a deerstalker and an Inverness cape shortly, seeing as I am becoming a part-time sleuth...

Thanks.

[angelfish58]

    And as my main line is Watson.........

[Quinlyn]

That was so funny...I had never noticed that!

That's why we have made a good team...

Michael

[JayG]

Hi JayG,

Thanks for your message.

If her death has not been registered: would the best thing to do would be to do as you have done and visit the nearest graveyards to where the family were living?  I could look at the census and see where the nearest placed graveyard or churchyard was and go from there.

There is no one on that side of the family that I can ask, unfortunately, so my options are becoming very limited.

Thanks,
Michael

As has been posted the burial registers is the best way to go, the only problem with that is if the family moved around alot!

Luckily I found the headstone of one of my missing registrations, this lead to finding her burial but produced no death, even after having the Local Register Office check for me.

The other missing death I found by checking burial register for where they lived, lucklily they'd stayed in the same area so it was easy enough.  Had they moved around I doubt i'd of found it tho.

I've got several people who 'disappear' & often go back to look into them.  I've managed to 'find' two missing people recently, one travelling to Canada & the other to USA.

I had a x X great uncle who disappeared after the 71 census, since the release of the 1911 census he's turned up living with his nephew, i'm still trying to find him in the missing 40 years!

Best of luck in your search for Phoebe.

Cheers

Jay

[Quinlyn]

Hi Jay,

Thanks for that information.  As Barbara and yourself have suggested I am going to try the Burial Records.  I am rather an amateur to all of this family research, so am still finding my way around.  Jennifer knows a lot more about it than me, so she will probably help me with that.

Trying to find Phoebe has been quite frustrating and quite exciting, but I am hoping that I can bring it to a conclusion (there will be a gap on my chart otherwise).  Thanks for wishing me luck with my search.

Thanks again for all of your help and advice; I also enjoyed hearing about your search for your relatives.  Good luck with your searching too.

Kind regards,
Michael

[scotty151]

Not sure whether you are still looking ,or even if it is of help, but the information from the Suffolk Burial Index for Phoebe Hovells is -

Forename -  Phoebe
Surname - Hovells
Abode - Lowestoft St. Margaret
Buried - 11 March 1879
Age - 56
Burial Place - Lowestoft St. Margaret

There are about twenty HOVELLS burials in the Lowestoft/Hopton/Corton/Lound area of Suffolk between 1845-1895.

Regards,

Kevin Scott