Baptisms

[Sas2010]

Hi All

My Relation Robert Joseph Bown Padwick (Born April 1829).He was Baptised in the Parish of St Andrews,Hoborn,Middlesex in 1 July 1837.He was living in Tothill Street,Westminster,SW1 at the time of his Baptism.Would he have been baptised in St Andrews,Holborn regardless of living in Tothill Street,Westminster.In the Baptism records it is noted that he was orphaned,his parents are known only as Padwick
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

[tressle]

I see on his marriage to Margaret Fitzgerald he gives his father as his namesake and a Licenced Victualler so he must have manufactured a father.

Tressle

[LizzieW]

he must have manufactured a father.

Not necessarily.  Looking at the dates Sarah gave, Robert was 8 years old when he was baptised, so it could be that he was taken in by someone, or an orphanage and baptised.  If his parents had only recently died, he would know his father's name and occupation.

There is a marriage of a Robert Padwick to an Elizabeth Lowes on 15 Jan 1815 at     St. Marylebone, London, England who could have been his parents.

Lizzie

[tressle]

Yes that makes better sense. 

Tressle

[Valda]

Hi

There is a burial of a Robert Padwick at St Marylebone

16th August 1820 St Marylebone
Robert Padwick aged 27


There were at least two Tothill Streets

Tothill street, Broad sanctuary, Westminster
Tothill street, Little Gray's Inn Lane

The baptism doesn't say Westminster and since it doesn't specify another area then it should be Tothill Street  in Holborn

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Holborn_Registration_District%2C_1841_Census_Street_Index_T-Z


Possibly this Robert on the 1841 census

HO107 670/4 folio 32
Tothill Street St Andrew Holborn
Robert Bowen 13 not born Middlesex


Regards

Valda

[Sas2010]

Thank you everyone,really really helpful,I didnt know there was a Tothill St,Holborn,that is really good,because it would make more sense for Robert to be baptised in Holborn.

The marriage details seem plausible as well,it might be worth looking for their death details.
Thank you for the information regarding the 1841 census,I have tried to find info about the Bown name but this is the first time the name has come up.

Robert Bown Joseph Father  i know was fiction because i have checked the trade directories for him because he was a publican.

Any other ideas guys would be great,Thanks all

[Sas2010]

Regarding the Tothill Street,I did  the mistake of assuming Tothill Street was in Westminster,as this was the only Tothill St I could find,does Tothill St,Gray Inn still exist?

I should have gathered it was in Holborn because all the other addresses in the Baptism records were in Holborn
Where is the best place to look for Street addresses in the good old days?

[Valda]

Hi

There seems no evidence that Robert had any connection with the Marylebone/Westminster -west of the City of London area and a good possibility that the Robert Padwick who married in Marylebone in 1815 was buried there in 1820.
The fact that your Robert, if it is him, was Bown on the 1841 census adds further weight to the possibility that he was illegitmate in which case any details he gave about his father on his marriage have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

A map with Tothill Street circled in yellow taken from an 1827 map of London

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/maps.jsp?map=green&map_item_id=7612&tagtype=2&mclass=f

Laystall Street which it intersects still exists see Google maps

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPEA_en-GBGB236GB236&tab=wl

On line historical directories are here

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp

Regards

Valda

[LizzieW]

Robert Bown Joseph Father  i know was fiction because i have checked the trade directories for him because he was a publican.

I have quite a few ancestors who were apparently brewers, licensed victuallers etc. but all it meant was they made the beer and home and sold it from their front room, so were not listed in Trade Directories.  That could be the same as Robert Joseph Bown Padwick's father.

If the Robert Bowen that Valda found on the 1841 census is Robert Joseph Bown Padwick, I wonder why  he dropped the name Padwick, especially as he uses it at the time of his marriage in 1853?  

By the way Tressle, how do you know that Robert gives his father as his namesake and a Licenced Victualler?  Are you connected to Sarah in some way?

Lizzie