Where did John Downie die?

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Wondered if anyone going to the Mitchell could check the poor relief records on Jane Downie who died in 1899 for any entries which might show some details on John.!

If you can wait a week I'll have a look.

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Hi,

I am also researching this family - my relative Thomas Ward was the last partner/husband of Jane Painting or Downie. Have been unable to find this couple in 1871 census in Scotland or England. Can't find a marriage certificate either - maybe there was no marriage as they were both still married to previous partners?

From Thomas Ward's death certificate in 1891 - he was living at 33 Broomlands, Paisley, married to Jane Tyson or Downie - informant Maggie Dougan, step daughter (present).

Would like more information on this family if anyone can help.
Regards

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Roryboy has the 1881 census , Harmony Row, Govan and 1891 Census Paisley for Jane Downie and Thomas Ward. (Do you have them?)  As far as we know they never married.  Scotfam helped out a lot and also kindly got Parish Relief Records for Jane which states that they co-habited.    We too couldn't find them 1871 census together but if memory is correct think there was a Thomas Ward married (not Jane) with a  daughter Bridgeton area which we could prove was the same Thomas. Will check with Roryboy tho as Thomas Ward not his relative all information he has will be on Jane.
What relation is Thomas Ward to you which must mean he had children before he was with
Jane.

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Thanks seekthem for replying to my query.

Yes, I have the 1881 & 1891 census records for Thomas Ward and Jane Downie. Thomas Ward is the brother of my gggrandfather Robert Ward. By researching Robert Ward's brothers and sisters I'm  filling in gaps for the Ward family and when they came to Scotland from Ireland.

Thomas Ward was previously married to Jane Fleming (another Jane) marriage was 17 Jun 1859 New Kirkpatrick, Dunbartonshire. In 1861 census Thomas and Jane were living in Shuttle St Paisley with a 4 year old daughter, Elizabeth Ward. Elizabeth was born well before the marriage - haven't been able to find a relevant birth certificate for her. Sounds like there was a marriage breakdown and Thomas later lived with Jane Painting/Downie. If poor law record states co-habiting there would not seem to be a legal marriage. Is this poor law record available to purchase? Happy to share any info with Roryboy.

The rest of the Ward family (Thomas's mother, brothers and sisters, grandmother & uncle) were also living in Paisley - at 26 Well St in 1861 census and from other certificates seem to be from Killyleagh, Down, Ireland. The research continues.
Thanks and Regards

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Jane Downie is still in England on the 1861 census but we couldn't find her either on the 1871 census.  Did you find Thomas Wards wife and daughter on a 1871 census without Thomas  and if so were they still in Paisley?
Have sent you a personal message.
Liz

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I am trying to reach the "roryboy" who posted on this site concerning John Downie.  If you are still out there, can you respond?  This John Downie was my GG grandfather. 

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[seekthem]

Have sent you a personal message.
Liz

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I forgot - think you have to have 3 messages in before you can send a personal message.
Think there is a definate connection.  I can get in touch with Roryboy for you no probs.  Do you have
any information to enlighten us on John Downie Snr born Ireland.
Thanks
Liz

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Hi liz..............In case you hadn't figured this out...........it's me Joyce in Ashland, OR.  Just trying to get on this sight and see how I am related to Roryboy.  Do you think we are  blood relations?  If you can contact him for me that would be great!!!!!  Thanks![td][/td]

Joyce