Look up required in South Australia - Daniel SULLIVAN c1862 COMPLETED

[janeoz123]

Cando,
Is the ref # 939 the number of the inquest carried out?  How do I get hold of the inquest?
I downloaded the info on Daniel having to go back to ararat.
Thanks again.
It's getting complicated. I downloaded the death cert for Mary Sullivan.  I have never heard mention of any  sisters or brother of Daniel Sullivan.  VERY strange.  How can I absolutely know that I am following the right people??

Jane

[cando]

The inquest papers are available at the Public Records Office of Victoria.  You have to order them prior to visiting the North Melbourne Reading rooms.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08dq/

The marriage certificate of Daniel and Margaret would give you the names of his parents.  You did say that Daniel's parents were Michael SULLIVAN and Mary HALPIN.  Did this information come from a certificate?

Another one of Michael's and Mary's.
SULLIVAN Margaret Mary
Father Michael  Mother Mary  HALPIN
At Hamilton  86 years  1957  Reg#22210



Cando

[cando]

Children of Daniel and Margaret.

SULLIVAN Mary Jane
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At SAND    1886  Reg#21720
 
SULLIVAN Joseph William Henry
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At Dartmoor  1888  Reg#10642

SULLIVAN Peter John
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At Dartmoore  1890  Reg#22130

SULLIVAN Katie Danette
Father Daniel   Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At Dartmoor    1892   Reg#12657

SULLIVAN Michael Thomas
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At Dartmoor  1894  Reg#19929

SULLIVAN Daniel Patrick
Father Daniel  Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At Dartmoor  1896  Reg#2753

SULLIVAN Margaret Laura
Father Daniel Mother Margaret Jane McCANN
At Dartmoor  1899  Reg#25994

Cando

[janeoz123]

Yes, I have th emarriage cert and it does say that Daniel's parents are Michael Sullivan & Mary Halpin. Could there be more than one set of Michael Sullivan & mary Halpin's running around? Could this be two different families?

[cando]

According to the indexes there only appears to be one family.  I would say you have the correct family.

Have found another death in 1901 of a Michael SULLIVAN.  I dismissed it initially because of the age 67 years and at Sunbury.  However there was an inquest.

SULLIVAN Michael
Place Sunbury Asylum
1901  Ref#1038

and the death registration

SULLIVAN Michael
Parents unknown 
At Sunbury  67 years  Reg#11794

Death certificates for those who died in institutions usually have very little or no family information and ages can be inaccurate.    The informant may be a witness at the inquest, staff member [sometimes even porters etc] or the undertaker acting as an authorised agent. 

I wonder if the headstone is just a memorial and Michael is not actually buried at Hamilton.   You would need to contact the Hamilton Cemetery Trust, 44 Gray St Hamilton VIC 3300   (03) 5572 1285 and ask for a search of the burial register.

There is another burial in the same grave as Michael SULLIVAN and Mary HALPIN.

SULLIVAN, Leslie b.1898  died  5 Feb 1919 aged 20 years.  Died Hamilton.

Death
SULLIVAN Daniel Leslie
Father Sullivan Michael  Mother Alice WEABEN
20 years at Hamilton  1919  Reg#2016

His birth
SULLIVAN Daniel Leslie
Father Michael  Mother Alice WEAVER
At Hamilton  1898  Reg#11496

Marriage of parents
SULLIVAN Michael born South Australia
WEAVEN Alice born Portland
1895  Reg#673

It would appear that Michael SULLIVAN and Mary HALPIN had a son Michael.  Is he noted on Mary's death certificate?  This marriage certificate would give you the names of the groom's parents.

This may be Michael Jnr's death - b. c1862, with mistranscribed mother's surname.

SULLIVAN Michael
Father Sullivan Michael  Mother Mary HARPER
At Hamilton  64 years  1926 Reg#1547

and possibly his wife

SULLIVAN Alice Emma
Father Weaver William  Mother Sarah CONDON
At GLEN  91 years  1961   Reg#15414

If you would like to detail all the information on Mary's death certificate, we can help you search for other members of the family.


So far we have index information for Daniel, Bridget, Catherine, Michael and Margaret and there is another sister Mary Anne who may have been a nun.

Cando

[cando]

A quick look at the electoral rolls.

Australian Electoral Rolls
Wannon  Hamilton
1903, 1909, 1914, 1924
SULLIVAN Alice Emma  South Hamilton  HD
SULLIVAN Michael  South Hamilton  Labourer

1931
Wannon  Hamilton
SULLIVAN Alice Emma  26 French Street, Hamilton HD
SULLIVAN Henry  26 French Street, Hamilton  Labourer
SULLIVAN Margaret Mary, Caledonian Hotel, Hamilton  HD. [Could be Michael and Mary's daughter who died in 1957.]

1936. 1937
SULLIVAN Alice Emma  26 French Street, Hamilton HD
SULLIVAN Alice May  26 French Street, Hamilton  HD
SULLIVAN Henry  26 French Street, Hamilton Labourer
SULLIVAN Margaret Mary  21 Brown Street, Hamilton  HD

Fawkner  Gardiner and then Malvern.
1943. 1949. 1954
SULLIVAN Alice Emma  7 Aintree Road, Gardiner  HD

Cando

[janeoz123]

Hi Cando,

There is a Michael listd on Mary Sullivan's death certificate.  In 1901 at time of her death, he is listed as 41yrs, so I guess that rules out your Micahel Sullivan in Sunbury assylum. It does however lend weight to the other Michael you listed in 1926 at 64yrs of age.

Please excuse my scepticism, but Hamilton is about an hour from where my husband's family settled. I (not my husband) have ever heard tell of other members of Daniel's family.  Could I have inadvertently opened up a hornets nest with my inocent questions?  I want to be REALLY 100% sure of this info before I mention it to any present day Sullivan family memebers!! 

Please tell me what EXACTLY I can do to ensure that I am infact on the trail of the right family.  This info (if correct) will come as a HUGE shock to this family.

I guess I need to inquire re actual marriage certificate of Daniel's parents in SA.  I'll have to look up where I go to do that.  That's my first step i guess.

Thanks again Cando..

[cando]

I understand your concerns however the information is publicly available and like all research needs to be validated with certificates.  I live in a rural area and am of very mature years, but I am sure there is much information about local families, especially deaths in 1901 and 1921, that I would not know about or expected to know about.

I would think the 1901 death at Sunbury could be possibly be Michael Senr. I did explain about information on death certificates only being as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.  The burial register for Hamilton Cemetery would show whether or not he was actually buried there.  The headstone photograph indicates that the headstone may have been placed after the death of Leslie in 1919.

The research has been based on Daniel SULLIVAN being born in South Australia and the son of Michael SULLIVAN and Mary HALPIN.

Other children were obviously born to this couple in South Australia and the death index indicates they were the children of Michael SULLIVAN and Mary HALPIN.  I would think the marriage certificate of son Michael SULLIVAN and Alice Emma WEAVER would be a good starting point to proving the relationship.

The marriage certificate in South Australia will not give you much more information than is already on the index.
Info on SA Certs
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
If you wish you can purchase a transcription of the marriage from
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08e5/
All self explanatory.

I would also follow up on Kris's suggestion of contacting the Catholic Archives for Parish records.  The BISA information has given some places of residence of Michael and Mary.

I am sure other forum members may have some further suggestions.

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[janeoz123]

Cando,

I am very grateful for the help you have given me.  Daniel's marriage certificate clealry lists his parents as Michael Sullivan & Mary Halpin.
although you have said i will not glean any additional info, on a matter as important as this, I felt I should order a marriage certificate form SA. I will be impatiently awaiting its arrival.
There are older relatives of my husband's that I could question re Daniel's fmaily, but I don't want to say anything until I am sure of what I have started.

Thanks again your for help.

Jane