Can You Find Martin?

[Just Kia]

Hi Tim,
Never to late to add more evidence =)
I'm still waiting on the cert.

However, after looking through the Lancs OPC site there is a baptism that fits "our" Martin - 15 Feb 1835 St Wilfrid, Farnworth, son of Betsy KNIGHT (single woman).
I'm quietly confident that Betty/Betsy is actually Betty KNIGHT bp. 11 Mar 1804 in Farnworth ((res. Bold)(Lancs PR 1761-1812 P121 E2/St Wilfrid (now St Luke))), illegitimate daughter of Mary KNIGHT.
And that Mary had at least one other child, Robert bp. 1805. Also that Mary probably died 1809, burial record Feb 1809 Mary KNIGHT, at St Wilfrid, res. Bold.

I haven't had chance to go and try to untangle the KNIGHT entries for St Wilfrid as yet.

I think Martin Nathan KNIGHT bp.1792 is probably a sibling to Mary (Betty's mother).
Peter KNIGHT (bp. 1796 & sibling to MNK 1792) has a child MNK bp. 1855.
I think Mary probably fits in c1789-1793, although I can't see a baptism.

OK, that's a lot of speculation and not a lot of hard evidence

[Just Kia]

Samuel's birth cert arrived.
His mother is Betty Wimbush formerly KNIGHT - so that confirms that part of the theory.

[Moston]

Hi just joined rootschat have been doing my family tree Davies-Wimbush and was interested to hear about Martin-not got him down. William married to Mary Wimbush is my great grandfather and grandmother. Any info appreciated

Moston

[misuaorang]

Hi Moston, good to make your acquaintance. Looks like we're cousins, albeit somewhat distant. Betty (Mary's younger sister) is my great great grandmother.

Since you haven't made your three-post quota yet you can't PM, unless I'm mistaken, so feel free to ask more questions here. How much do you know about Mary's family? Her father Samuel was a pork butcher, born in Wolverhampton as best I can find out - spent his professional butchering years at Black Lion Court, Long Millgate, Manchester. From what I've read, there were pig enclosures out in the street all along Long Millgate at that time, so presumably he just had to walk out his front door to procure his livestock. He died in 1859 of heart problems (at least that's the result of my attempt to decipher the terminology used on his death cert, I don't have it in front of me and don't recall the precise terms used), which is of course the only way a good pork butcher should go.

JustKia has identified Samuel's wife Betty (aka Betsy aka Elizabeth) Knight above.

I'd be interested in hearing about William and Mary's family - I haven't looked very hard to learn much there, on the assumption that looking for Davies's is going to be hard work as it's a common name (unlike Wimbush). Betty's husband Patrick Connaughton moved to Salford/Manchester from Wrexham, Wales, so when I see the name Davies I immediately wonder whether there is some other connection there, but I don't know any details.

Tim

[Moston]

Hello Tim As far as I can get back to which is the 1780's there is no connection to Wales. They were all born in Manchester. I have had a hell of a job tracing the Davies's not having had much to go on and the fact that Davies is a very common name. I have cross referenced them as far as I can and I am satisfied that I have got the correct line. I am mov ing forward now to trace them in Vancouver Canada, it may take some time but I will keep you informed

Moston

[Just Kia]

I have a scavenger hunt coming up to try and find out about Samuel (b c1800).
I figured that Tim and Moston may be interested in this as they both descend from Samuel.

[Moston]

Hi Kia and Tim I have concentrated on the Davies connection to the Wimbushes Which is via William Davies married to Mary Wimbush 1841 Mary's parents are Samuel and Elisabeth Wimbush. Her siblings are Martin 1835, Samuel 1844 and Betty 1849. Mary's children are Alice 1864, Rose 1869, William1871 and Herbert 1878. Herbert is my Grandfather and he emigrated to Canada with his wife Henrietta Litchfield 1877 and some children Doris1904 , Leslie 1906, Hilda1911, Wilfrid1912. in 1930. My father Herbert 1917 was left in England and was killed in WW2. I knew nothing of the family until I started tracing the family tree. I can go back another two generations on the Davies side and forward two generations of the Davies side in Canada, although this is still being researched. I am trying to make contact with any living relatives there. Betty Wimbush1849 married Patrick Connaughton1852 and had Patrick 1881, John 1883, Herbert1885 Edward1888 and Michael1890. Patrick 1881 married Mary Hannah Dalton. Samuel Wimbush1844 married Alice and had five children. I have more information  on these. ( not a lot)   Moston

[Just Kia]

Hi Moston, I've got pretty much most of the data (not much personal stuff) on Samuel and Betty forwards of 1841. It's Samuel Wimbush (c1800) back from 1841 that's the question.

[misuaorang]

I'll look forward to the Scavenger Hunt, thanks, JustKia.

Moston, if you were interested in more info about Betty Wimbush 1849, Patrick Connaughton and descendants I can certainly provide quite a lot for many (but not all) branches, just let me know. I was just in Canada the other day, could have had a look for some Davies's if I'd known  .

Tim