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Offline harewoodhouse

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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 04 April 10 00:14 BST (UK) »
Hi yes my problem is that in a court case of 1800 Marthas age is recorded as being 10 or 11  so that makes her only 13 or 14 when she goes with her mother on board the ship, and as we know she has an affair with LT Bowen and gets pregnant...it is not such a stretch to believe they fudged her age to make it more respectable and once declared her age as 17 in australia was thereafter 3 or 4 years older then she really was...the other alternative was that they lied in court making her younger then she really was, although the judge does say small girl, so that she was not tried for receiving also? but children much younger were tried and deported so I dont know if that is the answer.  the other thing is that with time if you have adopted your age and tell everyone that you were born in such and such you might actually come to believe it yourself, we are not talking about highly educated people here, I know that Martha Marys sister couldn't even sign her own name . The other interesting thing I have found is a CHRISTENING record for a Martha HayNes Quinn it is from St James Westminster so right church father is down as James Quinn and mother is Mary which fit... the only problem is it is dated 24 MAY 1802  so I am thinking that it cant be her...but then I think what if James takes Martha as a 12-13 year old and has her christened just in case she dies on the voyage? As her mother was sentenced for deportation on the  20th MAY 1802 ???WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 04 April 10 21:02 BST (UK) »
Image of this baptism on 24 May 1802 shows dob Aug 20 1789 which would fit with age 13 on voyage and birth predates marriage to Henry Hayes....(06 Nov 1791).. interesting

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 04 April 10 22:51 BST (UK) »
Image of this baptism on 24 May 1802 shows dob Aug 20 1789 which would fit with age 13 on voyage and birth predates marriage to Henry Hayes....(06 Nov 1791).. interesting

 WOW where did you find the image ? would you be able to attach it for me please pretty please...so that does fit with her being younger, does it say who was there with her???it must of been James as Mary would of been in Newgate and Henry would of had Hayes his name spelled right...
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« Reply #21 on: Monday 05 April 10 06:01 BST (UK) »
I have a feeling Henry couldn't have kids, as they never have another child...another aside...martha, marys big sister married tobias quinn, well they had a son James, and James married his cousin Margaret De Knight who was Marys brother John's daughter (told you they liked to keep it close) anyway James and Margaret have a son they called Albion ( I wonder if it was after the name of the boat auntie Mary sailed on)and a daughter called Margaret...Albion took over running a famous fishmongers shop on the Haymarket that was in thier family for 100 years and Margaret got a place further up the road when she married John Scott, got her oysters cheap off Albion no doubt and that is how one of Londons most famous landmarks Scott's Restaurant started. When Margaret died her only child Margaret sold the restaurant for a small fortune and married well.
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