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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 April 10 11:57 BST (UK) »
WHAT...QUINN!!! thats very VERY interesting...Quinn is the family that the de knights mary marias maiden name before she became hayes ( marys sister martha married tobias quinn) keep marrying into :o I wonder if one of my Quinns went over there after her or she just chose that name as it was so interlocked with her own family name...please see if you can find out more I just cany believe the stuff you have found my head is swimming!! here I have been worried about the little girl left behind on the mean streets of london and by all accounts she has been having a whale of a time in VDL...  lol  oh boy my mother in law is going to love this ;)
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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 April 10 12:04 BST (UK) »
 ??? oh  just had a thought what if it turns out that she is calling herself martha hayes quinn because she has found out hayes wasnt her real father...but one of the quinn boys was???? and that henry hayes might of died before her wedding so she felt like going back to her real fathers name??? that could put a spin on it...what do you think
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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 April 10 12:10 BST (UK) »
martha de knight and tobias quinn have a son james he married one of the de knight girls called margaret and tobias had 2 brothers so one of them could of got mary preggers although patrick was married but his wife hannah accidentally fell down some stairs well thats what the court case said when he was charged with her murder and straight after that he disappears from london...could it be patrick was the father ??? hmm
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17990220-32&div=t17990220-32&terms=quinn#highlight
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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 April 10 12:12 BST (UK) »
LOL

as I said, I can't find a Quinn marriage but what you now tell us makes sense re why she used QUINN!
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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #13 on: Friday 02 April 10 12:29 BST (UK) »

in another court case in may 1800
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18000528-1-person53&div=t18000528-1#highlight
it is given that martha the daughter is

"Q. What age is this little girl? - A. Between ten and eleven.

Q. You are training her up early? - A. I never bought any thing in my life before; my wife keeps the shop, and my business is out-door."

but in 1803 her age is given as 17??? and she is bowens mistress ::) it does not add up
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 02 April 10 12:57 BST (UK) »
oh yes that must be it just checked my records from what I have martha was born in 1790...mary her mother did not marry henry hayes till the jan of 1791...so a quinn boy could of been the father!..just checking records and it couldnt be thomas quinn as he is transported for 7 years for stealing 2 hankies and tea cups thats in 1761 so that only leaves tobias who is married to marys sister martha or patrick unless there is another brother I havent found...hmm the plot thickens
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« Reply #15 on: Friday 02 April 10 13:06 BST (UK) »
 :P
where would someone be deported to in 1761???   in the court case they spell quin with one n but I know it is the right quinn as james chambers purgers himself for him  and james was a family friend and is mentioned in one of the wills...oh what a bunch of thieves lol..lucky they were not all like that ...tobias and martha had two children and they were both upstanding citizens and ran what came to be known as local landmarks of london...and thats the branch my hubbies from lol and you couldnt get more honest then him!
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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 03 April 10 06:22 BST (UK) »
To clear up the age of Martha Hayes daughter of Mary Maria Hayes nee De Knight/Danight.  When Martha remarries after the death of her first husband Andrew Whitehead (1832, aged 64), she tells the minister that she is 50 years old.  She married a young police clerk from the township of Brighton Tasmania, which is not very far from where she lived with her first husband Andrew, at Herdsman Cove. The marriage of Bernard (Barnard) Williamson to Martha Whitehead occurred on the 7th January 1836,  his age is recorded as 20, her's 50. The "Cornwall Chronicle" reported the marriage in their 16th January 1836 edition.

More often than not an older woman would put her age down when there was such a big age difference, but in Martha's case I don't think she did .... I think she was being honest.  So,  I believe she was born sometime in 1785, or very early in 1786. 

Her death on 14th May 1871 she is recorded as being 84, she died at the home of her daughter Mary Devine nee Whitehead, "The Lea", Kingston, Tasmania. The "Mercury" reported that except for one woman, Martha Williamson was the last of the first settlers.

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Re: V D L convict search 1803
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 03 April 10 12:06 BST (UK) »
JOHN- Pembrokeshire Wales.  FREEMAN -England?
MEDLICOT -Monmouthshire Wales.
ISAAC -Gloucestershire and Liverpool.[Toxteth Park] SNOW- England .Convict. FRAZER- England.Convict.
DEAL -Ireland .Convict.
KEMP -Saint Mary Cray Kent.Eynsford Wilmington England.Convict.
BLACKBERRY -Whitechapel .Convict. CONDON -alias
DUFFY-Brighton England. Convict.
BANTICK -Ixworth Sussex England. Convict.
JONES England????[George]Convict.
ROSE-England. Convict.
All came to Tas