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« Reply #27 on: Monday 05 April 10 17:14 BST (UK) »
There is another way to save the articles to your computer, which would be to print the page to a PDF file. You might need to install some software such as CutePDF Writer in order to do this.

There is some information on the Andersons in this article http://www.rootschat.com/links/08dd/

For the Times archives you will need to be able to access either The Times Digital Archive (  many UK county libraries provide free online access to this to members) or the TimesOnline archive which is a subscription service http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/
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« Reply #28 on: Monday 05 April 10 17:37 BST (UK) »
The article about the Andersons father and son makes fascinating reading. You suggested printing so I tried using the link that said 'share' under the Page Thumbnail and it printed the article about Mrs John Cuthbertson without a murmer and big enough for me to read as well!!!!! As you can see I am absolutely delighted. I shall try printing some of the other information in the same way.

What does the CutePDF Writer do please?
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 13 March 14 21:57 GMT (UK) »
I would love to know why Ruby Maidment died in the UK and William Cuthbertson in San Francisco.

Well, it's four years since this questions was posted, but my brother emailed me yesterday and said "you wouldn't believe what comes up when you google "William Reid Dougal Cuthbertson" (our grandfather) and I found this thread! 

I know EXACTLY why William Cuthbertson died in San Francisco (Marin County, actually, a little north of SF, and I was with him in hospital three days before his death) while his (ex) wife died in Sussex.   And that's the key - they were separated for many many years, during most of which he was with our grandmother, Dorothea Hawke, a WWI widow.  They had one child together, our mother, who was indeed born out of wedlock. 

William (who everyone called "Cuth" but who his four grandchildren called "Popsie") and Ruby were finally able to get a no-fault divorce after WWII, by which time Cuth and Dorothy ("Dickie" to all) were living in California, and, I think, had at least one grandchild.  Cuth and Dickie were immediately married, and Cuth formally adopted my mother. 

But the really strange part of this story is that they did not tell her anything - not until 1975, when, at age 24, I traveled to the UK and was scheduled to meet some distant family relations.  However, I came back to the US as clueless as when I left, so she was told to keep her mouth shut, even though she wanted to tell the world that Cuth was her real father (she'd been told her father had died, but her mother was widowed a couple of years before that would have been possible).

So we weren't allowed to know the truth about our real grandfather until both of them were gone, when he died in 1979.  My father (who was divorced from our mother before 1975) said he always had his suspicions, looking at the two of them, but the story was so entrenched, he never said a thing. 

By the way, he was an absolutely lovely person, the most gracious man you could ever hope to meet.  It was an honor to have him in our lives for as many years as we did.

I hope someone reads this!  I'll try to find the profile setup where I will get notified if anyone responds, or maybe there's a messaging system in this site. 

Cheers,

Jan from Seattle, WA - USA

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« Reply #30 on: Thursday 13 March 14 22:12 GMT (UK) »
My father, Charles Hutton, died 2001, aged 95, stayed with your grandfather in 1972 and I have a small photograph of him with a tennis racquet in his hand. Your grandfather is my first cousin twice removed, ie a first cousin of my grandmother Dorothy Cuthbertson. He is mentioned on my family website, I am surprised that it didn't come up when your brother did his google. You and I are able to get in touch by email but I can't remember how to do it! How wonderful that this thread is still on the internet.
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« Reply #31 on: Thursday 13 March 14 22:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jan,

You'll have to post a couple more times in this thread so you can send a personal message. You can either click the icon that looks like a little sheet of paper, on the left hand side underneath the person's name, or click on their name and you should see a link saying "send PM".

Just for a little bit of additional information, in case you haven't seen these:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K94F-6LW
 - the 1940 census (if you look at the image you'll see Dorothy Hawke and her daughter in the list next to them)

Some passenger lists:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KXH4-YJV (William)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KDHT-F9F (indexed for Dorothy, but both William and Dorothy are on the passenger list)

Dorothy& daughter arrived into NY in 1946 by air!
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/24GR-JL9
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/24GR-JLQ

"NC90815", the aircraft they flew on, was a Lockheed L-049 Constellation, and you can see a photograph of her at this site.

William was also in the 1942 WWII registration (sometimes called the "Old Man's Draft", although it was less a draft than a survey of manpower/industrial capability)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V48V-GLL
 Interestingly it shows his employer as "Australian War Supplies Procurement">
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« Reply #32 on: Friday 14 March 14 04:07 GMT (UK) »
How wonderful that this thread is still on the internet.

I love the internet - and I'm not even a genealogist - but for some reason this hit in my google search caught my eye.  I'm also a US tax accountant, so I shouldn't even be spending time doing this right now.  I've sent a link to this conversation to my 92-year-old mother, who I hope (with my brother's help, they live down in the San Francisco area) will be able to read it on her iPad :^)

The name Charles Hutton sounds very familiar, and if your father visited Cuth in 1972, there is no doubt our mother would have met him, because she spent a great deal of time with her parents, especially during that time, when they were both in their 80s.  I was away at university in 1972.  The tennis racquet is because Cuth ran a tennis club in Belvedere, Marin County, just north of San Francisco.  Beautiful weather much of the year, very Mediterranean. He played tennis until his mid or late 80s, I believe, so I'm not sure he still played in 1972!

Jan

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« Reply #33 on: Friday 14 March 14 04:16 GMT (UK) »
Wonderful information, Jorose!  I'm not a genealogist, but I will take the time to look at all of these links when I have a chance.  I shouldn't even being doing this much, as I am a tax accountant, with a due date coming up in a month - but I am thrilled by the responses from you and Poozan!  How cool is this!???!

William was also in the 1942 WWII registration (sometimes called the "Old Man's Draft", although it was less a draft than a survey of manpower/industrial capability)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V48V-GLL
 Interestingly it shows his employer as "Australian War Supplies Procurement">

Yep, that sounds right, according to things I remember my mother telling me about the WarII years.  She was a WREN, serving first in Washington DC, then in San Francisco where she served as the (very young) liaison and "escort" for British military VIPs visiting San Francisco.  Which is how she and her parents all ended up living there. 

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« Reply #34 on: Friday 14 March 14 08:15 GMT (UK) »
I am sorry I got the date wrong, it was 1962 when my parents visited your grandfather on their way back to the UK from Australia where they had been visiting me.You and I are 3rd cousins. I have 2 pages on my website www.wauchopecottage.co.uk/susan about your grandfather including a very snappy picture, attached, of him when his daughter by his first marriage got married. He looks very like my father did at that age. Get in touch when you have time.

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« Reply #35 on: Friday 14 March 14 22:52 GMT (UK) »
I am sorry I got the date wrong, it was 1962 when my parents visited your grandfather

And I would only have been 11 years old, so no memory even if we did all visit when your parents were here. 

That's such a marvelous picture of Cuth with Jill.  There are still a few descendents in Australia, and someone there has entered information in Ancestry.com, which I can log into when I'm with my half-sister, the family genealogist on our father's side (we have different mothers, so she is not part of the Cuthbertson heritage). 

There's a cousin who lives in Tasmania, who I have met once, and I believe they are all half-cousins to me, because we don't have the same grandmother (is that right?)(LOL)

My brother is also enjoying this information, and your web site. 

I would like to continue this discussion after April 15 - Tax Day in the USA!

Jan