Andrew Spillard / Elizabeth Tilling

[cannonhill]

These two were my great-great grandparents, marrying in London in 1849 and emigrating to New Zealand in 1851. Andrew was born in Holborn, London in 1815 (son of Andrew Spillard and Sarah Francis) and Elizabeth born 1830 (daughter of George Tilling).

I am looking for anyone who can help with information about either these Spillard or Tilling families. I have quite a bit of knowledge after they arrive in New Zealand, but am keen to know more about their lives and my ancestry here in the UK.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Bill

[louisa maud]

Have you got the marr details

31/12/1849
St Mary's Paddington Green
Andrew Spillard widower full age, carpenter  of Maida Hill,
father Andrew  occ Tailor
Elizabeth a minor of Maida Hill father George occ coachman

Both signed
witnesses
William and Eliza Francis

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

these may also be yours
marr
21/11/1808
St Marylebone
Andrew Spillard
to
Sarah Francis
both of the parish
witnesses Michael Gee and Mary Spillard
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bapt
08/06/1815
Lying in hospital Holborn bapt of Andrew Spillard
of Andrew and Sarah
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marr
12/02/1844
Andrew Spillard full age carpenter of Praed St father Andrew tailor
to
Mary Waltho full age of Harrow Road father James Stone sawyer
both signed
witnesses Mary Jolly and John Jarman ?
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bapt
Andrew SPILLERD
born 13/12/1788
bapt 24/12/1788
father Andrew mother Ann
Lying in hosp Endall St Holborn
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bapt 07/7/1844
Mary Ann Spillard
born 29/04/1844
of Andrew and Mary, his occ a carpenter


Louisa Maud

[cannonhill]

Thank you Louisa. I did have most of that information but that is as far as it goes. Have looked on ancestry but tracking birth records prior to 1837 is difficult. And there seem to be many arms of Spillards and Tillings. Part of my desire is to establish heritage for both, but specifically, to understand on the Spillard side whether any of Andrew's brothers also emigrated to either NZ or Australia. There are a few families of Spillard in NZ and it would be good to understand whether they were related or not.

Many thanks
Bill

[cannonhill]

Many thanks Louisa for that flood of information! I think you sent a second load as I was thanking you for the first. Huge thank you once again.

I do believe all that information belongs to my branch of the family. Fascinating to know that I have an arm of the family that traces back a good way in London itself. All other arms of the family were also pioneering types, emanating mostly from Bradford in Yorkshire, with one from the Isle of Grain in Kent.

On that marriage of Andrew Spillard to Mary Waltho in 1844, was that information you gave of the father being James Stone Sawyer the name of the presiding church person? I ask as I would assume Mary Waltho would have a father with the Waltho surname as well.

On the birth of Mary Ann Spillard to Andrew & Mary, I believe that is their daughter. Certainly has all the credentials but what would appear to be a two-month pregnancy. However, it happened in those days too. And the name of Mary Ann is the same as my great grandmother, also a Mary Ann Spillard, born in New Zealand in 1863.

[louisa maud]

Sorry, Mary's father was James Walto a stone sawyer.

Unfortunately there seems to be quite a lot of Paddington 1841 that is missing, so the chances are you won't find them in Paddington on 1841, mine are all missing from Padd 1841, most frustrating

LM

[cannonhill]

Hi Louisa

Thanks for clearing up that fundamental booboo of mine. Brain appears to not be fully engaged!

Yes, I did try and find information on the 1841 census but there was nothing. You have explained probably why that is so. And it was no good looking for them in 1851 as they sailed to New Zealand that year. And not with little Mary Ann I might add. It was just the two of them. Need to check the bdm to see if she had died or perhaps been left with the mother's family to be brought up.

Just out of interest, do you too have Spillard or Tilling family? Or have you just been a particularly kind person helping me along?

Cheers for now
Bill

[Eyesee]

Bill

Welcome to Rootschat

St Mary Bryanston Square
1830 Jun 27, Elizabeth, d/o George & Barbara TILLING, 29 Brown Street, Coachman, born 1830 Feb 24
1832 Apr 22, Mary Ann, d/o George & Barbara TILLING, 11 Jacobs Wells Mews, Coachman, born 1832 Jan 26
1834 Nov 23, Eleanor, d/o George & Barbara TILLING, 13 Bryanston Mews South, Coachman, born 1834 Aug 31
1836 Oct 30, George Henry, s/o George & Barbara TILLING, 1 Torrington Mews Connaught square, Coachman, born 1836 Sep 24
1839 Mar 3, Thomas, s/o George & Barbara TILLING, 21 Harley Mews North, Coachman, born 1838 May 17

St George Old Brentford Hounslow
1841 Apr 15, Georgiana, d/o George & Barbara TILLING, Old Brentford, Coachman, born 1840 Dec 15

St Marylebone
1846 Feb 22, Christiana, d/o George & Barbara TILLING, 29 Little Marylebone St, Coachman, born 1845 Jul 5
1849 Jan 28, Caroline, d/o George & Barbara TILLING, 12 Little Chesterfield St, Coachman, born 1848 Nov 19
1850 Dec 29, Henry, s/o George & Barbara TILLING, 12 Little Chesterfield St, Coachman, born 1850 Oct 4

Ian C

[Eyesee]

1861
Earl St East, St Marylebone
Geo TILLING, head mar 82, Retired Coachman, born Surrey, Richmond
Barabara TILLING, wife mar 50, Needlewoman, born Sussex, Horlanton
Christina TILLING, dau unm 15, Pupil Teacher, born Middlesex, Marylebone
Caroline TILLING, dau unm 12, Scholar, born ditto
RG9/73/112/20

IGI has an extracted George TILLING baptism at Richmond, Surrey, 11 Sep 1779, parents Henry and Mary, which would fit.

Deaths
George TILLING, Dec qtr 1867, Marylebone, 1a 350, aged 90
Barbara TILLING, Dec qtr 1869, Marylebone, 1a 371, aged 60

Ian C