Marriage Licence

[HOWMUCH]

Hello ,
Once again I find that I am seeking advice from the Rootschat members

Without going in to too much detail I am trying to connect my gt. gt. grandfather who married in 1824 to a couple who married at Manchester Cathedral in 1795 , I believe that this couple were his parents and I am trying to locate a particular area where I can search parish records for his baptism .

The couple married " by licence" . I am aware of why certain couples chose this method as opposed to banns , but my interest is with the associated documents that form the issuing of the licence .

1.The marriage allegation : the sworn statement made that there was no impediments for the marriage to take place and stating the date and the place of the proposed marriage.

2.The marriage bond: the agreement to pay a sum of money if the marriage did not take place '

It will be doubtful that a licence could be found but I believe that the bond and allegation may be found in the Diocesan records with some being indexed . Has any member seen such a document and if so is there any information contained in it that would tell me where either party were living /
Many thanks
Eric 

[dotty]

Who are you researching?Have you tried the wills?

Dotty

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Hello again Dotty
Thanks for your interest . I am researching John WILKINSON who married Sarah BURTON at Manchester Cathedral 20 September 1795 .
The only reason why is that the name BURTON has been used many times throughout my family as a christian name .
Yes, I have checked the indexes for some wills proved at Chester prior to 1858 but as Wilkinson is a common name then it is proving difficult . I have other record offices to try as well .
The other possible line of enquiry is that John was shown as an excise officer and I have enquired about searching at The National Archives for his postings but I would like to be more certain first due to cost.
With the help of other members I believe I may have located the burial of a possible son to John and Sarah and this took place in Church Kirk in 1836. Assuming that I have their son correct and by the way he is called Burton Wilkinson I have traced his marriage to 1820 at the same Church as my gt. gt. grandfather in 1824 . A witness at Burton's wedding was a John Wilkinson (junior) hence my interest .
I have followed Burton's widow through the census records and I believe that she may have come from Halliwell so that may be a possibility as well , to search records in that district .So I have the feeling that this couple will be connected and I am trying to get the evidence to be sure .
Kind regards
Eric  PS I believe my gt.gt.grandfather died pirior to 1850 and I have been unable to trace him on the 1841 census,but that would not help me with his place of birth anyway . Back to the drawing board.

[maytime]

I have two marriage allegations, one for a marriage that took place in Ashton-under-Lyne in 1801, the other in Manchester Cathedral in 1836. Neither shows the address, only the town where the parties resided.

They are interesting to read but not very detailed. They show the occupation of the bridegroom, and also the name of the person appearing with him, and in the second case, as the bride was a minor, there is a note that her father, who is named, agreed to the marriage. The bridegroom's signature is on the forms.

Both these allegations were dated two days before the wedding took place.

I ordered them from the Lancashire Record Office.

Joan

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Hello Joan
Thank you very much for that information . When you say that it shows the town in which the parties lived , do you mean e.g. Manchester or does it tell you a particular district ?
I think that this will be a possible way forward for me if it states a district .

How did you arrange for the Lancs Record Office to search for the details and the cost of ordering ?
I was wondering whether they would search for me first and then let me know what they had .
I have used them once before in that way for a police record in 1850 .

Many thanks
Eric
 

[maytime]

Hello Eric,

These two documents are different. The 1801 document is an allegation, I think. The bridegroom and a second man, possibly a relative, appeared and pledged five hundred pounds that the marriage would take place. The town stated was Ashton-under-Lyne as both bride and groom resided there. This was sworn one month before the marriage, not two days as I originally said.

The 1836 document was a licence. No financial pledge was involved, and the groom, Thomas Chadwick, of Ashton-under-Lyne, appeared alone, two days before the marriage took place. The bride was "Mary Marlor of Haughton in the Parish of Manchester."

I already knew the marriage dates and churches when I contacted Lancashire Record Office regarding allegations. I just hoped that these documents would provide additional information. They carried out a search and told me the cost of the copies. It's a few years ago and I don't remember how much they were.

I hope this is helpful.

Joan

[stonechat]

Hi

In many cases it is possible to get marriage licence allegations

Be aware that these may be issued at various levels in the church:

Archdeaconry, Diocese, and even by the Archbishop of York or Canterbury.

Manchester would be in Chester diocese, though mostly the Lancashire records I think were removed from there to the Lancs RO

These will give you the current parish of the bride and groom and oftern not much else

Bob

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Hello Joan
Thank you for your reply , your information has been most useful . Small world is'nt it because I live in Ashton under Lyne 
Anyway , I think I will E mail the LRO and give them what I have , nothing to lose !

Hello Bob
Thanks for your reply as well . I seem to learn something each time I post a topic . Many thanks.

Eric

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Hello Joan
Making a pledge of £500 in 1801 !
I could not resist doing a conversion into todays money . It would give you a spending worth today of £16,085.
I wonder whether they checked that the assets were in place before accepting the pledge
Must have been true love !

Regards
Eric