James Annan Ramsay

[roselad]

I am searching for particular information about James Annan Ramsay - born 17 February 1856, Lanark, Scotland. He was a lawyer in Edinburgh abt 1880 - 1894 [?]  and apparently was shipped out to New Zealand by his family because  he disgraced them when he committed some sort of crime. His family paid him a remittance to stay away and he was not allowed to practice law in New Zealand.
I am trying to research what his crime was and finding it very difficult as I am a Kiwi and the distance is a stumbling block.
Can anyone help me at all? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much.

[Peter Ramsay]

 :)Hello All, My name is Peter Annan Ramsay and my great grandfather was the James Annan Ramsay on your post. He came to N.Z in 1881 and married Margaret Muirhead [widow] maiden name Lawson in 1894 at Portobello , Dunedin New Zealand. Margaret and John Muirhead had 8 children and John Muirhead died in 1891 and is buried in the Portobello Cemertery. James Annan Ramsay and Margaret Muirhead had 4 children. They are Alice Suttie Ramsay,Mary Horn Ramsay, Alexander Morison Ramsay and James Annan Ramsay my g grandfather.Feel free to contact me by email * as I have a family tree on the go at the moment on Ancestry.co.uk.

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[tidybooks]

Hi Peter,

Welcome to RootsChat, wish you success with your searches. I was on Ancestry and think I saw your tree,gives James Annan Ramsay's birth as 17 Feb 1856 in Angus where Roselad's gives his James Annan Ramsay, same date in Lanarkshire. I have no doubt they are same person, maybe birth locations mixed up.

Roselad has an email notification sent to her email that you have replied to her post albeit an older one. So fingers crossed you get a reply soon.

Tom

[Peter Ramsay]

Cheers Tom, I have just come across your site today and it looks very interesting, so I hope I have some time over the holiday to look further. Regards Peter

[tidybooks]

Hi Peter,

Yes, I am sure you will enjoy it, just one more post and you can use the Personal Message (PM) system to pass email addresses, phone numbers etc.

Did you have a birth certificate for James Annan Ramsay, I am having difficulty pinning it down.  I have searched on ScotlandPeoples website and the LDS, and no luck.

Tom

[MonicaL]

Hi All

Likely this birth entry on the index? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F772-7Z6

Some possible siblings here:

Mary Horn Ramsay https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XB6K-JHM
Alison Catharine Ramsay https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XB62-PTY

Struggle with the 1861 census (think you have too Peter as it is not on your tree) but info for others, family in 1851 which you have:

James Ramsay 26 Joint Editor Of Arbroath Guide b. St.vigeans, Forfarshire
Mary Ramsay 19 b. Edinburgh, Midlothian
Mary H Ramsay 10 Months
Mary Jamieson 21 servant

Address: Lillies Wynd, St Vigeans

Monica 

[tidybooks]

Hi Monica,

That looks like him indeed. I had hoped the middle name was used and it is. On SP the middle name"Annan" is not used, which threw me off a bit. There are 9 James Ramsay's born in 1856, 2 of them in Angus and 1 in Lanark, so they may have registered the birth in father and mother's parishes. It maybe that Peter already has the certificate, so I will not try and guess which one it is.

Tom

PS Merry Xmas to you and your family

[tidybooks]

Hi All,

I have found a James Ramsay 5yo in the 1861 census in Lanark, staying with his aunt and uncle.
I think the Arman should be Annan. Mary H Ramsay could be his sister Mary Horn Ramsay. His uncle is a "Writer" at 52 Wellgate Street, Lanark.

John Arman   32
Mary Ramsay   29
James Arman   28
James Arman Junr   22
Mary H Ramsay   10
James Ramsay   5

Also in 1871 he is still with his aunt and uncle in Castlegate, Lanark.

John Annan   42
Mary Annan   39
Thomas Annan   33
James Annan   32
Mary Ann Ramsay   21
James Ramsay   15
Maria Carduch   22

Tom

[MonicaL]

Thanks Tom...same to you and yours 

This family are so hard to find! Finally found James and sister in 1861...I think! As transcribed.

John Arman 32 writer (solicitor in Scottish terms) b. St Cuthberts, Midlothian
Mary Ramsay 29 sister b. St Cuthberts, Midlothian
James Arman 28 brother Auctioneer b. St Cuthberts, Midlothian
James Arman Junr 22 cousin, General Clerk b. England
Mary H Ramsay 10 niece b. St Vigeans, Forfarshire
James Ramsay 5 nephew b. Lanark, Lanark

Address: 52 Wellgate St, Lanark, Lanarkshire

Peter, original census image from SP would help as always for clarity and accuracy.

You show Mary Annan's death in 1874 and James Ramsay Snr in 1880 on your tree. Have you confirmed all through original certs?

Monica