James Annan Ramsay

[MonicaL]

Sorry Tom...missed the red note that you had already posted 

I get the feeling that maybe something happened with the marriage between Mary Annan and James Ramsay? I think the Mary Annan in 1871 is Mary Ramsay? The original image would show marital status. Death certs would help for confirmation which hopefully Peter has?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Peter already has James' eldest sister Mary and her marriage details here http://genforum.genealogy.com/gilroy/messages/156.html which will help to confirm the detail.

I am guessing that on her 1872 marriage, father and mother still showed as alive? Father's occupation then was what?

Monica

[jonn]

Here is James Ramsay. 1841. with his parents.

Arbroath, Angus,

Address, Lillies Wynd.

Ramsay James, M. age 55 years, Linen Hand Loom Weaver, born Angus,
Alice Ramsay, F. age 40 years, born Angus,
James Ramsay, M. age 15 years, Clerk, born Angus.

His Parents James Ramsay, married Alison Suttie, 5/Sep/1823, Arbroath, Angus,

They had one child James Ramsay, born 24/Aug/1824. Saint Vigeans, Angus.

Regards,
Jonn.

[jonn]

Here is James Ramsay's, mother 1881.

Address, Greenbank, Arbroath, Angus.

Alison Ramsay, Head, Annuitant, W. age 85 years, F. born Arbroath, Angus.

The address Greenbank, is flanked on both sides by Lillies Wynd, which was their address in 1841.
So parents lived there for at least 40 years.

Alison Suttie Ramsay, died 1882, aged 86 years, St. Vigeans, Arbroath.

Regards,
Jonn.

[jonn]

Mary Annan, born 16/April/1831. to parents James Annan, and Mary Horn, this couple were married 24/April/1825. Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, they had a few children, some who moved to Lanark.

Regards,
Jonn.

[jonn]

Here is the 1881. census for Mary Horn Ramsay, who married Edward Gilroy.

Address 8 West Graham, Street, Glasgow.

Mary H. Gilroy, Wife (Head) M. age 30 years, F. born Arbroath, Forfar,
Robert B Spence, boarder, Mechanical Engineer, U. age 34 years, M. born Pathhead, Fife,
Jessie Mc Gregor, Servant, Dom Ser. U. age 31 years, F. born Glenorchy, Argyll.

The Gilroy, family were Brewers.

Alas poor Edward Gilroy, is in a sanitorium in 1881.

Regards,
Jonn.

[MonicaL]

Jonn, I have struggled with James Ramsay Snr for 1861 & 1871. Someone (not Peter) on their a/try tree has James Snr's death as being on 10 Dec 1880 in St. Georges Edinburgh. If correct, where was he for the previous decades 

Monica

[jonn]

Monica, alas the last sighting i have for him is 1841. i thought he must have passed away before 1851.

Do you have him with Allison, or Alice, as she is sometimes referred to.

Regards,
Jonn.

[MonicaL]

The only sighting I have managed to find of James Snr so far was from 1851 with his new young wife:

James Ramsay 26 Joint Editor Of Arbroath Guide b. St.vigeans, Forfarshire

Nothing after. Then we have, as Tom has found, wife Mary with her Annan family in 1861 & 1871 in Lanarkshire.

Ignoring for now the mysterious rogue stories re James Jnr heading off to NZ in time to marry for 1881. With his uncle, John Annan showing as writer in 1861 and then James Ramsay Jnr showing as a 15 yr old Commercial Apprentice, all sort of fits well so far with main story don't you think?

Monica