Drayton? in Middlesex?

[trish1120]

1862 Marriage has Caroline as a Widow, Father Daniel Hill, Labourer.

1861 Census
Thomas Hastings, 33
Caroline Hastings, 31
Elizabeth Hastings, 9
Thomas Hastings, 7
Henry Hastings, 5
Caroline Hastings, 3
Charlotte Hastings, 3mths

GRO Birth Index with Mothers maiden names;

HASTINGS, CHARLOTTE  JANE, Mothers mn   HILL***
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 200

+ these 2 have Mothers mn as HILL;
CAROLINE SARAH 1858
HENRY 1856

Then we have;
HASTINGS, THOMAS, Mothers mn READ***
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 01B  Page 235

And finally;
HASTINGS, ELIZABETH  EMMA, Mothers mn   HILL***
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 01B  Page 238

Marriage Reg FreeBMD;
Dec 1847, Kensington    3 244
Caroline Hannah** HILL and James READ on same page

So married London.
Nothing seems to be on line for the Marriage.

CAROLINE HANNAH Hill christened 8 Aug 1830, St Luke, Chelsea, London.
Birth 28 June 1830
Parents DANIEL/CHARLOTTE

Trish

[trish1120]

1851 we have;
Daniel Hill, 60
Charlotte Hill, 55
Thos Hill, 24
Caroline Hill, 21
Sear Hill, 12
Thos Hill, 2, Son***

1861 Thomas Hill is a Grandson.

This may be a red herring but will post just in case;
HILL, THOMAS  ROBERT, Mothers mn READ****
GRO Reference: 1849  M Quarter in HACKNEY UNION  Volume 03  Page 227

[DougTCanada]

I did not look very deeply into the Hill family but relied on others. The fact that others said Caroline was a "Hill" from Chelsea and the census records I saw said Thomas' wife Caroline was from Chelsea was enough confirmation for my purposes.

I was a just going through my old papers and generally what I did to make sure I had the right people was follow families through the census. I do not have an 1851 census in my stuff but in the 1861 census Thomas and Caroline's eldest child is Elizabeth age 9  followed by Thomas age 7 and then Henry, Caroline and Charlotte at 3 months. In the 1871 census there is no Elizabeth as she married in 1870. There is no Henry at home but Charlotte is there followed by the children born after 1861.

[trish1120]

Sorry I didnt welcome you to Rootschat DougTCanada.

You can check the Gro Index for the Mothers mn for children born after the 1861 Census.
Its a fairly new site, you have to register but its free to search.
www.gro.gov.uk

findem should reply to you soon but hopefully I have been some help.
Following others Trees can lead you astray!

Unfortunately there is nothing on line for the 1847 Marriage .


Trish

[DougTCanada]

Thank you!

[DougTCanada]

Just to add to the confusion, the 1851 census has Thomas Hill as a "son" and not a "grandson" as in 1861.   Actually the family name is spelled wrong on the census - as "Hile" but it is the same people.   

If it was our Caroline who married James Read in Kensington in 1847 she may have been a widow in 1849 as there is a James Read who died in Kensington in 1849. Age 42 . Could have been a cradle robber

[DougTCanada]

To continue a conversation regarding Caroline Hill which was going on in another thread...

Glad this topic was resurrected, it prompted me to try again to find the Hill grandparents of Caroline Hannah Hill.  This time I believe I might have found them, a Daniel and Sarah Hill who had five children baptised 1783 to 1791 in Beddington Surrey, one of them a Daniel Hill born 1788 who might be the father of Caroline.

Unfortunately it wont be an easy task to link these possible grandparent, Daniel and Sarah Hill to Caroline's parents Daniel Hill and his wife Charlotte Louisa Russell because of the five children the possible grandparents, Daniel and Sarah, baptised, only the one named, as you would expect, Daniel, matches any names used by Daniel and Charlotte Hill.  Although Caroline's parents Daniel and Charlotte did name a daughter Sear, not sure if that is a variant of Sarah.

When Caroline's parents, Daniel Hill and Charlotte Russell, married at St George Hanover Square, Daniel was stated as being of Wandsworth, Wandsworth looks to be around 8 miles from Beddington Surrey.

Do we know for sure that Charlotte was a "Russell"? Could it be "Webb"? and that Caroline Hannah Hill's grandmother was named "Sarah"?  I had not bothered with finding Caroline's parents up to now and a quick search turned up a few candidates.

[DougTCanada]

This brought me back to the 1851 and 1861 Census again. Earlier in this thread It was mentioned that in the 1851 Census Thomas Hill age 2 was listed as a "grandson". I found a different transcription of the census in which the last name was misspelled as "Hile" and Thomas as listed as a "son". I haven't seen the original so don't know whether "grandson" of "son" is correct.

In that same census Daniel's (age 60) birthplace is given as Hillingdon, Middlesex and Charlotte's (age 55) as ",London".
In the 1861 Census Daniel's birthplace is given as "London...," while Charlotte's is given as "Hillington, Middlesex".   In both cases the "London" entries would probably be problems with transcription and maybe looking at the originals would be helpful.

[DougTCanada]

Charlotte gave her birthplace as "Hillington".  A Charlotte Webb married Daniel Hill on June 29 1911 in Hillington.