Drayton? in Middlesex?

[trish1120]

Wow Ian, excellent. I looked for christening up to 10yrs after birth but 17yrs after is incredible.

Under HARLING, this may be them

1841 Census
Hillingdon, Middlesex
HO107/656/4/Hillingdon

Johnathan, 50, Brick m, No
Elizabth, 50, No
Emanuel, 20, No
Johnathan, 10, Yes
THOMAS, 8, Yes
Sarah, 5, Yes

[Eyesee]

1841
Hillingdon, Can't make out address
Jonathan HASTINGS, 50, Brickmaker, No
Elizabeth HASTINGS, 50, No
Emmanuel HASTINGS, 20, Brickmaker, No
Jonathan HASTINGS, 10, Yes
Thomas HASTINGS, 8, Yes
Sarah HASTINGS, 5, Yes
HO107/656/4/Hillingdon/Middlesex/ED10/26/45

The IGI has a Jonathan HASTINGS born Hatfield near Doncaster in Yorkshire, who marries an Elizabeth in 1808, which could be the parents.

Emmanuel HASTINGS, when he marries Matilda BOLTON, on 15 May 1842 at St John the Baptist, Hillingdon, names his father as Jonathan HASTINGS, Labourer
Jonathan Edward in 1853 named his father as Jonathan HASTINGS, Labourer

1851
2 Anglia Gardens, Islington East
Emanuel HASTINGS, head mar 30, Brickmaker, born Bucks, Marlow
Matilda HASTINGS, wife mar 28, born Hillingdon
Henry HASTINGS, son 8, born Bucks, Denham
Willm HASTINGS, son 6, born Mddx, Hayes
Emmanuel HASTINGS, son 3, born Hillingdon
James HASTINGS, son 1, born Mddx, Islington
Emma Esther ?? sister mar 28, born Mddx, Hammersmith
John Joseph ?? son unm 2wk, born Mddx, Islington
Thomas HASTINGS, brother unm 21, Labourer, born Mddx, Hammersmith
+ a lodger
HO107/1502/680/80

Emma Esther HASTINGS married John PRINCE, at St John the Baptist, Hillingdon on 20 Aug 1843. Her father named as Jonathan HASTINGS, Labourer.

Ian C

[findem]

Have I got some cross checking to do!

Regards.

[Eyesee]

Don't know if Caroline had any children with her first husband James READ.

She appears to be back home with her parents Daniel and Charlotte in Chelsea in 1851, listed as unmarried aged 21 - HO107/1473
/510/19

If this is her it might suggest she split with her first husband, plus the fact that she did not marry Thomas until 1862, was that Mr Read was still alive, and still legally her husband.

Ian C

[findem]

Hi Ian,

I've just finished (I think) rounding up the children of Thomas George & Caroline Hastings, of 11 known children 7 were born before marriage and 4 after.  Like you say it would appear that James and Caroline split up, I thought I had found a burial for James Read a few days ago but darned if I can find the piece of paper I wrote the details on, so back to the drawing board.  The problem is that in the last week or so I've been on a roll with my wife's line, I think I'll spend today collating the gathered info and permanently recording the details in the correct places.

It's strange that Caroline was listed as unmarried, perhaps it was a little porky to cover any embarrassment, they may have considered that it wasn't really any of the Enumerator's business anyway.

I haven't yet got round to checking if there were any children from the marriage with James Read, I do know that all the children appearing on Censuses while Caroline was with Thomas, were children of Thomas and Caroline.  Although that doesn't rule out any children that may have been left with James, his parents or Caroline's parents etc.

Thanks for the input, it is appreciated.

Regards. 

[findem]

Hi,

I've had a look for children of James & Caroline REID and found what appears to be two families;

Mary Ann Born 14 Jun 1847 & Bap 22 Oct 1848 at St Luke Islington, abode Cowper Street.
James Bap 12 May 1850 at St Mary Haggerstone, abode Trafalgar Road.
Henrietta Caroline Born 18 Nov 1863, Bap 13 Dec 1863 at St Giles without Cripplegate, abode 1 Chapel Street.

The father's occupation for all three children was Confectioner, that family looks OK except for Henrietta being born a year after Caroline married Thomas Hastings.

There were also two children of James and Caroline REED, James a Chimney Sweep in both cases.
Elizabeth Born 25 Aug 1863 & Bap 29 Jan 1865 at St Katherine Cree, City of London, abode Cree Church Lane.
James Born 13 Jan 1865 & Bap 29 Jan 1865 at St Katherine Cree, abode Cree Church Lane

I suppose the two families could be one and the same but it would have been a dramatic career change for James, at the end of the day I'm thinking perhaps Caroline Hill who married Thomas Hasting had no children by James Read.

Regards.   

[DougTCanada]

This is my Hastings line as well. I don;t think the Caroline Hill that marries a Read is the same Caroline Hill that married Thomas G. Hastings.

[findem]

I have Thomas Hastings marrying Caroline Hill 18 May 1862 at St Barnabas Chelsea Middlesex, is that what you have?

I've checked my notes but there is no mention of Caroline being a widow, however to be on the safe side before I write James Read/Reid off I'll recheck the marriage entry, when I can, for Thomas and Caroline to make doubly sure there's no mention of Caroline being a widow.

[DougTCanada]

I don't have a marriage date for Thomas and Caroline but the Caroline Hill / John Read marriage that I found was in Bristol which is way far away from the area we are concerned with. Thomas and Caroline started having children in 1851 so I think your wedding date may be off.

I have Thomas Hastings marrying Caroline Hill 18 May 1862 at St Barnabas Chelsea Middlesex, is that what you have?

I've checked my notes but there is no mention of Caroline being a widow, however to be on the safe side before I write James Read/Reid off I'll recheck the marriage entry, when I can, for Thomas and Caroline to make doubly sure there's no mention of Caroline being a widow.