Gloucester John OAKLEY bc1820 to Tassie and Lancefield.

[cando]

Unfortunately, I don't have access to Digger to check just at the moment, but I do have a newspaper clipping from the Argus, July 3, 1873 stating that an Alfred Oakley, at Lancefield, had an argument with a fellow, and had shot at him.  It went on to say that Oakley IS married to a 'sister of Riley, who was recently hanged at Wagga for the murder of drover Eppell'....now, I cannot place an Alfred Oakley in the children of John and Jane...there is an Albert Oakley b1860 (who would have only been 13 in 1873) who married a Mary Reily...but this Reily connection seems to go back to convict John (if he is our John) who can be found on his original records in Tasmanian Archives, to have been disciplined for 'locking himself in a room for hours with a Hannah Reily'.

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3501433?searchTerm=eppell

Had difficulty in locating a newspaper report on the murder of drover EPPELL....it would appear he was murdered in 1889 so the date

I do have a newspaper clipping from the Argus, July 3, 1873

is not correct.

Perhaps this is the Alfred referred to in the newspaper clipping.
Marriage
OAKLEY Alfred b. Ballarat
OREILLY Mary b. Kilmore
1884  Reg#641

Perhaps if you could detail ALL the information on John OAKLEY's death certificate it may help us further.  What leads you to believe that his wife pre-deceased him.  Is she noted as such? What are then names of their children born in Victoria...you state on the linked thread that they went onto have children in Victoria.
 
Cando

[~MERLIN~]

RILEY Thomas (age: 21 / White) - New South Wales - Wagga Wagga

Murder – victim: Christian Eppel – committed on 15 September 1889 – sentenced on 27 September 1889

Christian Eppel, a 40-year-old drover of German descent living at Toowoomba, was found murdered about 8 a.m. on 15 September 1889, on the Wagga Common, some four miles from Wagga. He had been shot while sleeping.

Eppel was in charge of 950 bullocks, which had been sold on 6 September at Albury. Eppel, with six drovers, including Thomas Riley, and a cook, camped at Wagga Common, Eppel sleeping in his own tent.

In the morning of 15 September, a shot was heard, and a boy saw Riley running to get a horse and ride away very fast. After a chase, Riley was arrested by the police on the same day, and as he was found with a watch belonging to Eppel in his possession, he was charged with wilful murder.

His trial took place at Wagga Wagga District Court, and he was convicted and sentenced to death on 27 September 1889.

Riley was hanged at Wagga Wagga gaol at 9:20 a.m. on 6 November 1889.

[~MERLIN~]

but I do have a newspaper clipping from the Argus, July 3, 1873 stating that an Alfred Oakley, at Lancefield, had an argument with a fellow, and had shot at him.

The above quote is also incorrect... newspaper is dated Tuesday 25 March 1890 & the name is clearly Alfred OATLEY.

Link here:

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13764427?searchTerm=%22alfred+oatley%22

[Rap]

Hi Cando....the newspaper article and date was sent to me as is, and I have no way of authenticating the date....didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the date, as I couldn't place this Alfred in what I know of my family line to date.  John's dc states wife's name as Jane, maiden name unknown...I went looking for this name and a possible death or remarriage...but could find nothing of interest.  It is quite possible also that the Alfred bBallarat and Mary nee O'Reilly b Kilmore, are these two involved in the attempted murder ...I have no idea...I am trying to establish how many groups of Oakley's there were in the area at the time that I know my Oakley ancestors lived there...these groups may or may not be related.   The first 3 and possibly four children were born in Tasmania from 1857 to 1868 ( I cannot find a birth for John James either in Tasmania or Vic), and the last son Leonard, was born in Victoria in 1869 (from his dc in 1896 Geelong, aged 29, birthplace, 'Victoria' parents John Oakley and Jane Hamilton).   On John's dc in 1878, it states his children as:  Walter 19 years, Albert aged 18 years, Teresa aged 11 years , Frances aged 16 years, John aged 9 years and Leonard aged 8 years.  I hope to get into Prov during the hols to look for the Inquest docs Merlin....thanks!  Thanks also for the birth look-ups for John and Anne...seem not to be mine.
Thanks folks.
Rap

[~MERLIN~]

I hope to get into Prov during the hols to look for the Inquest docs Merlin....thanks!

Rap,

Make sure you pre-order the files before you go to PROV as they will need to be taken out of storage & be waiting for you when you arrive to read & copy.

You will also find that they will be closed on some days over the easter holidays, if you check their website they will have them listed.

[cando]

Lots of interruptions while having a look around my resources and many replies in the interim......so will post what I found anyway

One son's name -
OAKLEY, Albert Harold.
Burial 23 Nov 1931  Roman Catholic
Cemetery Lancefield cemetery, Victoria

and his death reg

OAKLEY Albert
Father Oakley John  Mother Jane HAMILTON
At Lancefield  78 years  1931  Reg#14848

His birth does not appear to have been registered in Tasmania in 1853.

There is also this burial record
OAKLEY, Mary.
Burial  16 Jul 1938  Lancefield cemetery, Victoria  Roman Catholic

and the death reg from the index

OAKLEY Mary
Father Reilly Edward   Mother Mary  UNKNOWN
At Lancefield  80 years  1938  Reg#16539


And I wonder if this is another child
OAKLEY, Fanny.   [b.c1865]
Hospital record  21 Mar 1884  Lancefield  Born Victoria  19 years  Single  No Occupation.  Religion Church of England.  Interic [sic] fever.
Kyneton Hospital Admissions Registers 1862 - 1885.

Can't see a birth registration for Fanny in the Vic indexes.

Death
OAKLEY Leonard Leslie
Father Oakley John  Mother Jane HAMILTON
29 years at Geelong  1896  Reg#6020

http://www.gct.net.au/
90611   
OAKLEY   Leonard Leslie Buried 04 May 1896   
Geelong Eastern Cemetery   Location  METO*M***47

No birth registration in the Victorian indexes for Leonard either.

Another OAKLEY from the records but being born c1859 Vic may not be one of yours.  May possibly be the son of Edward and Mary Ann HEWITT.

OAKLEY, Walter.
Hospital record  25 Oct 1883  Bolinda Vale  Born Victoria  24 years  Shearer
Religion Church of England
Kyneton Hospital Admissions Registers 1862 - 1885.

Have you considered chasing up some parish records...perhaps both Anglican and Catholic?

From an email last week from PROV.

Easter Closures
The Victorian Archives Centre Reading Room will close for two full weeks at 4:30 pm on Friday 26 March, 2010 and re-open at 9:00 am on Monday 12 April, 2010.

Cando

[Rap]

Hi Cando....I think that I'm more confused than ever...but thankyou so much for finding these entries. 
The birth entries that were sent to me by the kind lady from Tassie (same one who sent me the typed newspaper article of the Oakley story....so doubting the accuracy and given facts at this point!)...she found the following entries. 
Oakley, Female, registered 16 Jan 1863, Ref No 57, father John Oakley, mother Jane Hamilton Reg State Tas.
Oakley, male, registered 20 Sept 1857 Ref No 1229, father John Oakley, mother Jane Hamilton, Reg State Tas.
Oakley, male,registered 11 March 1858, Reg No 903, father John Oakley, mother Jane Hamiltonl Reg State Tas.

From John's death certif. and the ages of the children, we don't seem to be matching birth years here much. 
Walter aged 19 in 1878....born 1859  (does match Bolinda Vale, Kyneton Hospital entry of yours though!)
Albert aged 18 in 1878....born 1860 ( no match to Albert Harold reg 14848 who was born in 1853)
Frances aged 16 in 1878....born 1862 (this is my great grandmother, and this 1862 date matches her birth date on her marriage and death certifs.....mind you, she states that she was born in Victoria and not Tasmania.  Her birthday was December 22...so I'm pretty sure she is the baby noted above registered in 1863)
Teresa aged 11 in 1878....born 1867 ( matches her marriage certif.)
John James aged 9 in 1878....born 1869
Leonard Lesley aged 8 in 1878....born 1870 ( from death listing in Geelong 1896 aged 29...this Leonard's birth year is 1865)

   I think Cando that it is pretty obvious that most of these children had little idea of their birth year and place of birth....hence my assumption of Jane's posssible death at the time of John's accident due to the way her name was recorded.  Who-ever provided the information for the death certif, made a lot of 'guesses' I think.  My gggrandmother Frances told my grandmother that she was born in Melbourne, and my grandmother's sister, Alice, that she was born at Lancefield....I don't think that she knew exactly!  Frances told my mother as a little girl that she remembers Ned Kelly jumping the fences at their farm when she was a little girl...but I cannot find the family living in Kellly country at all...this I find supports the idea that the children may have grown up with other families perhaps.

  I also think that there seems to be two Oakley families living in the same area in the 1860's to 1880's....all with similar repeating family names.  The fact that your entries note Roman Catholic for some and COE for others is a hint that they may not have all belonged to the same family.  I'm waiting for a reply from the Lancefield Hs.....see what they come up with!!

Many thanks Cando for your time and interest!
Rap

[cando]

Good heavens what a mistranscription -

OATLEY Name Not Recorded
Father John Mother Jane HAMMILTON
11 Mar 1858  at Launceston  Reg#903

There is only one OAKLEY [searched using wildcards] birth at Gisborne and nothing at Lancefield to 1888.

Can't really see two family living at Lancefield by the indexes.

I wondered if it was your comment left on the Lancefield Historical Society homepage

Cheers and good luck with your research.
Cando

[cando]

Oakley, male, registered 20 Sept 1857 Ref No 1229, father John Oakley, mother Jane Hamilton, Reg State Tas.

Rap

Walter aged 19 in 1878....born 1859

Rap

Omitted this from last post

Death
OAKLEY Walter James
70 years at Cohuna  Reg#1650  1926

I would not rely on information on a John OAKLEY's death certificate as being accurate.  So Jane is not noted as deceased.  Who was the informant? If it was a clerk of courts or something similar, they would not have known Jane's maiden name.

If  you are so sure they were born at Lancefield I would as mentioned previously, chase up some parish records.


Cando