pocock marriage Newington

[wozzle]

if you want me to try and see what else i can find out with regard to the family i will
mick

[dasher]

Hi Wozzle,
Thank you ever so much this has been my brick wall for a long time.I don't know if the Ropley baptism for Benjamin Pocock is the right one.Just the dates and parents names seem right.I would love to find out but not sure how to do that. If William Pocock of Ropley was a Farrier as well that might narrow the odds.
Benjamin's son William was baptised 23/11/1817 at Horsham Sussex. The third son James I have never heard of.Until I obtained the 1841 census return I didn't know he existed.I have tried to find him in the I.G.I but couldn't.Their sister Anne was baptised at Horsham11/06/1820 I have no idea what happened to her either.
I would like to take you up on your kind offer for further research. I am descended from the other son George.His son William George came up to Newcastle-upon- Tyne in the late !800's.
Thanks a lot.
Dasher

[wozzle]

do not know what info you have on your direct ancestor george
but will follow him
here is his marriage
groom; george pocock of full age bachelor
occ; carman
fathers name; benjamin pocock
fathers occ; farrier
address at time of marriage; john street,lambeth
bride; susannah sophia gill of full age spinster
fathers name; samuel gill
fathers occ; blacksmith
address at time of marriage; john street,lambeth
witnesses;george hudd,mary gill
marriage took place on the 5/11/1849 at st.johns church,st.john the evangelist,lambeth,surrey
i know it does not state that benjamin had died by this time(but this is not that unusual)

[wozzle]

looks like georges wife susannah is using her second name sophia
ann elizabeth pocock daughter of george and sophia pocock born on the 20/11/1856 baptised on the 8/3/1857 at st.john the evangelist,lambeth address at time of baptism gravel lane
fathers occ; labourer
it looks like they had 2 children baptised at the same time
william george pocock son of george/sophia pocock born on the 5/1/1857 baptised on the 8/3/1857 at st john the evangelist,lambeth
fathers occ; labourer
living at gravel lane at time of baptism

and this looks like george's wife s brother also baptising children
benjamin james gill son of benjamin/sophia gill baptised on the 8/3/1857 at st john the evangelist,lambeth
fathers occ; smith
address at time of baptism ; gravel lane

[wozzle]

did george and sophia have an earlier son william(who must have died)
only here they are in 1851
1851
HO107/1558/421/79
george pocock age 28. b. lambeth. occ. general labourer.  head
sophia age 26. b. dartford. wife
william age 3mnths. b. southwark. son
living at;2,wagstaffe buildings,southwark st.saviour
reg.dist;st.saviour,southwark

[wozzle]

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[wozzle]

1861. it looks like the first william did'nt die after all
RG9/348/27/22
george pocock age 40. b. lambeth. occ brickmakers labourer. head
sophia age 31. b. dartford. occ. dress maker.wife
william age 11. b. st. saviours,southwark. son
anne age 4. b. christchurch,surrey. daughter
george age 2. b. st.saviours,southwark. son
francis george age 55. b. chatham. aunt
living at;3,mitre place,lambeth,surrey
so which one is your direct line is it william born c1850
or george born c1859(though think this must be the william george bapt 1857)

[wozzle]

cannot seem to find them after this census entry
when did your direct line william george come up to newcastle
also what was the name of his wife and children and ages if known

[dasher]

Hi Wozzle,
Thanks again for all the work you have done on my behalf.
I cant find them in the 1871 census either.I can find William George,s wife Caroline Lloyd in the 1871 RG 10/638 56 31 Southwark but it is such a bad copy I can hardly make any detail out.Interestingly though the person above her in the census is an Ellen George.

William George is my direct ancestor he married Caroline Lloyd 11/04/1873 St Mary's Lambeth. Witness's were William Lloyd and M Lloyd.Father George Lloyd engineer and William Lloyd compositor.
William George had quite a lot of children some in London, Teeside and Newcastle.I dont have any baptisms for the children but the birth are as follows.

William Edward (my grandfather) 7/11/1873 2 Little Surrey st  Southwark,Caroline abt1876,Violet abt 1877,James Benjamin 1878 Lambeth,Richard George 1880,Elisabeth Jane 07/01/1882 38 Cator St Peckham,Herbert Ernest26/10/1883 7Lennox st Middlesborough,Alice Lousia abt 1885 Middlesborough,Then there is a big gap.A possible Robert abt 1890 Newcastle,Arthur Ernest 1892 Newcastle, Margaret Ethel 1895 Byker Newcastle.

Willliam George died 1902. Caroline Lloyds grandfather was a flutemaker from Holborn I noticed you have interests there.
By the way my granny always reckoned we were related to Charles Dickens.I don't place any credibility on it but there seems to be lots of Lloyds in the printing trade in that area.
I hope this answers your email if not please contact me.
Dasher