Please help: who was living with William and Joseph Armory, Willington in 51/61?

[Helen K]

Hi

I can do an 1861 Census lookup - where for ?

Helen K

[alllegs]

Hi Helen,

Thank you so much faor your offer, I would be really greatful if you could do a look up in 1861 for me.

I am especially looking for who was living with William Armory in Auckland/Hamsterley/Willington, Durham.

The info I have from 1871 is as follows....

William Armory (81) farmer of 132 acres
John (son) 44
William (son) 42
Mary (dau) 26
Joseph (grandson) 12
George (grandson) 10

I am hoping that William had another daugher called Ann Armory (she married Henry Simpson in 1868) who would have been about 27 in 1861.  I would also be very interested in any farm workers/lodgers living with the family as Joseph was illigitimate and Ann Armory was his mother.

This info was found for me on durham online (?) I think they could be the prime suspects!!

ID/Forename/Surname Age/whereborn/census/ Record District
128095.6 Joseph Armory 2 Stanhope 1861 Census Auckland

also an Ann of the correct age, different address

178392.6 Ann Armory [Armoury] 26 Hamsterley 1861 Census Weardale

also William - looks like Joseph was with him in 1861 as well.
130326.6 William Armory 72 Hamsterley 1861 Census Auckland

Any info at all would be brilliant.  Thank you in anticipation

Love
Legs
xxxx

[Helen K]

Hi Legs

I've had no luck finding William or Joseph.  The index at DurhamRecordsOnline records them in Auckland District in 1861 - trouble is that's too big to search without at least a village name.

Take a look at Registration Districts in Durham and scroll down to Auckland.  That's roughly what was covered in the Census.  If you recognise any place names from information you already have then let me know and I'll take a look - I've done Hamsterley and they weren't there.

It will probably be easier and quicker for you to buy the record as has been mentioned before.

I've searched all of Stanhope - a guess, as Ann was recorded as being in Weardale in 1861 and eventually found her.

RG9/3725  Folio 92  Page 5  Sch 22
Bishopley
DOWSON
Ellen head Widow 57 DUR
Ellen Daur Un 21 DUR Auckland
George son 16 Labourer DUR Auckland
Henry Son 11 Scholar DUR Auckland
ARMORY
Ann Lodger Un 26 Dressmaker DUR Hamsterley

and these two I've found on the way:

RG9/3716  Folio 5  Page 4  Sch 15
Hamsterley
ARMORY
Jonathan Head Mar 53 Farmer of 40 acres employs 1 man DUR Hamsterley
Elizabeth Wife Mar 50 Farmers wife DUR Low Side
John Son Unm 19 Farmers son DUR Hamsterley
Elizabeth Dau Unm 15 Farmers daughter DUR Hamsterley
Jonathan Son Unm 13 Scholar DUR Hamsterley

RG9/3725  Folio 46  Page 15  Sch 82
Stanhope Prospect, Stanhope
ARMORY
Joseph Head Marr 33 Quarrier Limestone DUR Hamsterley
Mary Wife Marr 31 DUR Durham
William Son 4 DUR Stanhope
Mary Daur 1 DUR Stanhope

Regards

Helen K

[alllegs]

Hi Helen,

Thank you for your time and effort.  I will have a good look through all my stuff and see if any other places ring a bell and get back to you if you don't mind.

As Ann is already living away from home I guess I need to locate her and family on the 1851 census, she would have been abut 16 then so hopefully still living at home.....

Thank you again

Love
Legs
xxxx

[alllegs]

Hi again Helen,

Joseph was born under St Stephen's in Willington.  I'm not sure how big Willington is but thats possibly the next place too look.

William was a farmer of 132 acres and would have been about 71 yrs old in 1861.
Joseph would have been about 2.

This is the info from the 1871 census about where they were living.  I'm assuming they will have been in the same place in 1861 seeing they were farmers....

RG10/4961 Folio 87 Page  3
South Brandon, Brandon and Byshottle, Durham

Hope this is helpful
Thanks again
Love
Legs
xxxx

[Helen K]

Hi Legs

Your family weren't at Hill house, West Brandon in 1861 - I didn't expect them to be as that's Durham Registration District and your family is in Auckland Registration District according to the index at DurhamRecordsOnline.

It's also likely you will get the 1851 Census entry from that site - have you tried it ?

Helen K

[alllegs]

Thank you again Helen,

I've not looked at the Durham online website as I can't afford to pay to view, unfortunatly the student income doesn't stretch that far!!

I will have a look and see what I can see on Durham online without paying!  I guess I'll have to just look for William and Ann on the 1851 as Joseph wasn't born until 1858.

I'll get back to you.

Thanks again
Love
Legs
xxxx

[alllegs]

Hi Helen,

I've just had a quick search on durham online and and there is only one William and one Ann of the right ages (62 and 17 respectively) on the 1851 census, both born in Hamsterley and in Weardale at the time of the 1851 census.  I have no idea where Weardale is or what Villages it covers

There is also a William aged 21 who I believe could be William (sn)'s son, his age, place of birth and district are the same as above.

As I said before I really cannot afford to buy the records off the website, I'm not sure what else I can do to narrow down the results.

Not sure what to do now other than assume that the Joseph and Willian located on the 1871 are the ones I'm looking for, I know for definate that Joseph's mother was Ann Armory so I'm assuming that Ann is William's daughter.  Any ideas about her mother??

Thanks again
Love
Legs
xxxxx

[Helen K]

Hi Legs

Weardale - again Genuki will give you that info.
http://www*fhsc*org*uk/genuki/REG/dur.htm

Those areas in 1861 cover well over 800 Census pages, so you can imagine how impossible that makes a search.

I'm sorry that you can't buy the images from DurhamRecordsOnline, but you'll find that to research your Family History accurately is going to cost money.

The evidence from Certificates, Parish Registers and Census entries is what proves you are on the right track and so able to move on (or back !).

To guess or make assumptions could lead you to research the wrong families, something you really want to avoid.

Anyway, if you get any information to place your family in 1861 please get back to me and I'll have a look.

Regards

Helen K