Please help: who was living with William and Joseph Armory, Willington in 51/61?

[alllegs]

Ok I have just re-read all of the info posted by ec and I think I've got my head around it.....

So we're thinking that Joseph's mother could have been Ann Armory who later married Henry Simpson.  Joseph was born illigitimately and his father may never have been registered.  When Ann married Henry she left Joseph (and possibly George) with her father, William.

Am I right there??  Going on the form of the rest of my ancestors, Joseph was probably fathered by aliens or something of the like!! Hahaha!

Thank you for all your help.  I guess if Joseph's father wasn't registered then there's no way of tracing him.  I think I'll wait until I get a reply from the Durham registry office before I jump to any more conclusions!

Thanks again
Legs
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ps just read your latest post and I do  now understand I think!!  I will email Durham again and ask if they can see if either Joseph they have registered has a mother called Ann Armory and also ask if a father is stated........how confusing are my lot??  Thanks xxx

[ec]

Hi Legs

You've got it - remember though its just my theory.

Suggest you post for a 1861 look up of William Armory and see who is in the household with him.  He appears to be a Farmer with 132 acres - could be you can find some possible farm hands to pin the blame on....

EC

[alllegs]

Ok, I will alter the title of this post instead of creating a totally new one than everyone has all the info to hand.

I have just re-emailed the Durham registry office asking if either Joseph Armory has Ann registered as his mother and is there a father or not?

Hopefully they can unravel this one for me!!

By the way i do like your theory - lets hope I can pin down a naughty farm hand!!

Thanks again

Love
Legs
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[ec]

Hi Legs

You might want to check out

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

It is pay to view, but you can search the indexes for free.  Looks like they definitely have Joseph (age 2) in Stanhope in 1861

ID/Forename/Surname Age/whereborn/census/ Record District
128095.6 Joseph Armory 2 Stanhope 1861 Census Auckland

also an Ann of the correct age, different address

178392.6 Ann Armory [Armoury] 26 Hamsterley 1861 Census Weardale

also William - looks like Joseph was with him in 1861 as well.
130326.6 William Armory 72 Hamsterley 1861 Census Auckland

Interesting to find out who Ann was with - could be the Farm hand??

[ec]

I dont want to confuse things further but the other possiblity that has occurred to me is that Ann was preiously married to an ARMORY son (of William), who died.  So she was previously something else as surname.  Grandchild, Joseph taken by grandparents as she was then on her own?

She was certainly old enough to have been married before.

Doesn't explain lack of fathers name on marriage cert though - unless he didn't know the name.....

You really need that 1861 census info - good luck
 

[alllegs]

Ohh that is a possibility, not sure why I didn't think of that before as I've come across that with other members of the family.  Although the Durham Registry website doesn't state that Ann was previously married so I don't think it's the case here.  Oh well, Its something else to keep in mind.  As soon as I get a reply from Durham I'll let you know what they've come across.

Thank you for all your help, hopefully someone will have access to the 51 or 61 to ascertain whether Ann was daughter to William or not........the quest goes on.......

Thanks
love
Legs
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[alllegs]

I recieved an email back from Durham........cleverly the website doesn't tell you that Durham County Council covers 3 different registry offices - As the Joseph's were born in Western Durham I need to contact Bishop Aukland Registry office instead (sounds more like Australia that the UK!!)  Going to have to wait until at least Tuesday for a reply now - - - AARRRGHHHH!!

Oh well these things are sent to try us!!

I'll let you know what they say next week!

Love
Legs
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[alllegs]

Hi EC,

Your are a genius!!  I've just had a reply from Bishop Auckland Registery offices and Joseph Armory's mother is Ann Armory and there was no father registered.

I've had no luck about finding out who was living with the family on the 51/61 etc so have not one to blame yet!!

Thank you for all your help

Love
Legs
xxxx

[ec]

Hi Legs - glad I could help.  As no one seems to be able to do a 1861 lookup I think you may have to use this site

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

to have a look at the census entries (or look up at record office if you can get to one).  They are definitely there - see my pervious post, but I can't tell who is living with who.  This might lead to some suspects as to the father of Joseph and might also ascertain if George was also Ann's child.

Good luck and let us know how you get on!